The only adult at work

President Barack Obama leads a briefing on the current situation in Libya with National Security Advisor Tom Donilon, foreground, and Chief of Staff Bill Daley during a secure conference call aboard Air Force One on the flight from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, to Santiago, Chile, March 21, 2011. Taking part in the call are Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen, Secretary of Defense Bob Gates, and AFRICOM Commander General Carter Ham. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

Here’s the president’s answers regarding Libya during the press conference in Chile today:

Q.   Mr. President, Senor Presidente, muchas gracias.  Sir, how do you square your position that Colonel Qaddafi has lost legitimacy and must go against the limited objective of this campaign, which does not demand his removal?  If Colonel Qaddafi is killing his own people, is it permissible to let him stay in power?  And if I may add, do you have any regret, sir, about undertaking this mission while you’re on foreign soil?  And do you have the support of the Arab people in this yet?

PRESIDENT OBAMA:  Okay.  First of all, I think I’m going to embarrass Jim by letting everyone know that Jim’s mother is Chilean, and so this is a little bit of a homecoming.  You were born in Chile, am I right?

Q    Yes, sir.  It’s a delight to be here.  Thank you.

PRESIDENT OBAMA:  Fantastic.  So I thought everybody should know that.  And also, I think that for all the Chilean press, you don’t need to take Jim’s example by asking three questions, pretending it’s one.  (Laughter.)

Q    One subject.

PRESIDENT OBAMA:  First of all, I think it’s very easy to square our military actions and our stated policies.  Our military action is in support of a international mandate from the Security Council that specifically focuses on the humanitarian threat posed by Colonel Qaddafi to his people.  Not only was he carrying out murders of civilians but he threatened more.  He said very specifically, we will show no mercy to people who lived in Benghazi.

And in the face of that, the international community rallied and said we have to stop any potential atrocities inside of Libya, and provided a broad mandate to accomplish that specific task.  As part of that international coalition, I authorized the United States military to work with our international partners to fulfill that mandate.

Now, I also have stated that it is U.S. policy that Qaddafi needs to go.  And we got a wide range of tools in addition to our military efforts to support that policy.  We were very rapid in initiating unilateral sanctions and then helping to mobilize international sanctions against the Qaddafi regime.  We froze assets that Qaddafi might have used to further empower himself and purchase weapons or hire mercenaries that might be directed against the Libyan people.

So there are a whole range of policies that we are putting in place that has created one of the most powerful international consensuses around the isolation of Mr. Qaddafi, and we will continue to pursue those.  But when it comes to our military action, we are doing so in support of U.N. Security Resolution 1973, that specifically talks about humanitarian efforts.  And we are going to make sure that we stick to that mandate.

I think it’s also important, since we’re on the topic, that I have consistently emphasized that because we’re working with international partners, after the initial thrust that has disabled Qaddafi’s air defenses, limits his ability to threaten large population centers like Benghazi, that there is going to be a transition taking place in which we have a range of coalition partners — the Europeans, members of the Arab league — who will then be participating in establishing a no-fly zone there.

And so there is going to be a transition taking place in which we are one of the partners among many who are going to ensure that that no-fly zone is enforced and that the humanitarian protection that needs to be provided continues to be in place.

With respect to initiating this action while I was abroad, keep in mind that we were working on very short time frames, and we had done all the work and it was just a matter of seeing how Qaddafi would react to the warning that I issued on Friday.

He, despite words to the contrary, was continuing to act aggressively towards his civilians.  After a consultation with our allies, we decided to move forward.  And it was a matter of me directing Secretary of Defense Gates and Admiral Mullen that the plan that had been developed in great detail extensively prior to my departure was put into place.

Jim, I’ve forgotten if they were any other elements of that question.  But I’ve tried to be as thorough as possible.

Q    Arab support, sir.

PRESIDENT OBAMA:  Well, look, the Arab League specifically called for a no-fly zone before we went to the United Nations.  And that was I think an important element in this overall campaign.

Q    But will they be part of the mission?

PRESIDENT OBAMA:  Absolutely.  We are in consultations as we speak.  As I said, there are different phases to the campaign.  The initial campaign, we took a larger role because we’ve got some unique capabilities.  Our ability to take out, for example, Qaddafi’s air defense systems are much more significant than some of our other partners.  What that does then is it creates the space; it shapes the environment in which a no-fly zone can actually be effective.

It was also important to make sure that we got in there quickly so that whatever advances were being made on Benghazi could be halted, and we could send a clear message to Qaddafi that he needed to start pulling his troops back.

Now, keep in mind, we’ve only been in this process for two days now, and so we are continuing to evaluate the situation on the ground.  I know the Pentagon and our Defense Department will be briefing you extensively as this proceeds.  But the core principle that has to be upheld here is that when the entire international community almost unanimously says that there’s a potential humanitarian crisis about to take place, that a leader who has lost his legitimacy decides to turn his military on his own people, that we can’t simply stand by with empty words; that we have to take some sort of action.

I think it’s also important to note that the way that the U.S. took leadership and managed this process ensures international legitimacy and ensures that our partners, members of the international coalition are bearing the burden of following through on the mission, as well.  Because, as you know, in the past there have been times where the United States acted unilaterally or did not have full international support, and as a consequence typically it was the United States military that ended up bearing the entire burden.

Now, last point I’ll make on this:  I could not be prouder of the manner in which the U.S. military has performed over the last several days.  And it’s a testament to the men and women in uniform who, when they’re given a mission, they execute and do an outstanding job.

But, obviously, our military is already very stretched and carries large burdens all around the world.  And whenever possible for us to be able to get international cooperation — not just in terms of words, but also in terms of planes and pilots and resources — that’s something that we should actively seek and embrace, because it relieves the burden on our military and it relieves the burden on U.S. taxpayers to fulfill what is an international mission and not simply a U.S. mission.


278 thoughts on “The only adult at work

  1. Thank you for showing that even when the President is out of the white house he is still taking care of business. He knows what’s at stake and what should be done. I am glad he was able to get other governments to participate and we are not going it alone. We cannot be the only warriors for this world, the UN really must take the lead.

  2. That’s what I find the most satisfying; I can’t pretend to like war. I, along with pretty much everyone here, find it horrifying. But I also can’t pretend that there’s no justification for a very limited, broad-based and focused effort to stop the Libyan military’s attacks upon the protesters and rebels.

    The UN really took a beating last decade, because the Security Council stood up to the Bushies, who in turn trashed the UN because they did not believe that there should be any sort of international check on behavior like that during the runup to the Iraq War. It is good to see the legitimacy of that organization reaffirmed.

  3. Just got this from OFA blog

    The president has 48 hours after the commencement of military action to notify Congress. Here’s info re: the War Powers Act:

    The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548) was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat. The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto.

    so there….

  4. Tomorrow is gonna be a BIG day with the President visiting Archbishop Romero’s tomb.

    “It’s historic,” said Congresswoman Lorena Pena, a former guerrilla fighter with the Farabundo Marti National Liberation Front, a rebel group-turned-political party. “It’s a recognition of our pastor who was killed for fighting for justice, for democracy and human rights.”

    Robert White, who was the U.S. ambassador to El Salvador in the early 1980s, said that the visit by Obama to Romero’s tomb “is like a U.S. stamp of approval on the positive influence Romero’s life and death have had on Latin America and the world.”

    The visit “is a declaration that the United States is no longer identified with oligarchic governments,” added White, who is now director of the Washington-based Center for International Policy, a foreign policy think tank.

  5. It is good, gn, to see the legitimacy of the UN reaffirmed during President Obama’s first administration.

    Believe Bush made John Bolton – a strong critic of that august body – his U.S. Ambassador to the UN. That action and others only led to the delegitimization of both Bush and Bolton. Glad they’re both out of the picture.

  6. This is getting out of hand. Everyone is on this president back. I am writing a letter to the Dnc, CBC and the democratic cause of the house and the senate. I have had enough.

  7. I believe so much good will come out of the President’s visit to South America.

  8. I am glad not to have cable news tonight, so thank you BWD and all contributors that have informed me of the excellent job PBO is doing and showing the world he does care about human life, democracy, and freedom and knows when to take action and when not to. He has my full confidence. The PF and RW Nuts are all a flutter about not understanding plain english and how they are so confussed? really? This woman caller on Randi Rhodes had the nerve to say that the President should not take his wife, children and mother in law on this business trip? For all that he and his family sacrifices each day America is too F’ing cheap to have his family with him on a business trip to increase exports for american businesses? really? What racist asshats.

  9. I just listened to L. O’Donnell for alittle bit. Only until Howard Finneman came on and started talking about how the American people don’t know why we are doing this. I am so tired of the PL causing a problem. I am anti war but Qaddafi is killing his people. I trust this President.

  10. Stop watching MSM. They are all about the conflict. If you stop watching MSM your blood pressure will go down.I, myself, will be watching Al-jeezra and the BBC because the MSM in america is a joke.

  11. Think about it…absolutely none of these people who are criticizing our President could have answered the questions put to him during the press conference with that kind of clear-headed precision while under the kind of intense scrutiny a President abroad receives and while traveling thousands of miles with their families. How many people can even think when they’re traveling that far and fast with that many stops while being photographed by hoards of photographers every step of the way?

    That would be none of them.

  12. I honestly don’t know how you people can watch that stuff day after day. I cancelled my cable last year and don’t miss it one bit. Any clips that are worth watching can be found on the internet.

  13. From my twitter timeline:

    RT @normcowie: Palin said Obama should stop ‘dithering’ on Libya, but when asked what she would do differently, she dithered.

  14. Jojo i want jump through the tv and just knock a couple ppl across the head. LOL! im so angry.

  15. Yes, Al Jazeera is probably the best IMHO. BBC is redunant but good for an hour a day…tops.

  16. Not to mention that the UNprofessional left is looking at this through 2003 Iraq. It’s not the same, because for one POTUS has strictly said we are not taking the lead in Libya, that we are taking a backseat and assisting with the efforts.

    Also unlike Iraq, there is an actual plan and exit strategy, even though the media will say the opposite.

    And unlike Iraq, there is an actual coalition and actual international support for the srikes on Libya.

    It’s telling how bad a precedent Iraq has set when too many people are looking backwards to Iraq, which reminds me: POTUS has said we need to look forwards not backwards, I suppose this is what he meant.

    And yes, I tire of the folks like Mr. Kucinich who consistently attack POTUS from the left and misrepresent his positions and deliberately mislead folks. I’m beginning to think the UNprofessional left should join the teabaggers and become one extremist faction, since they both oppose POTUS, just on opposite ends of the political spectrum.

    I do find it admirable that despite all this, POTUS has remained humble and calm. He is the only adult in the room, and it is pathetic that he has to play Daddy to a collective group of spoiled brats.

  17. I have a Roku player, by which I get AJE, BBCW, and other foreign news stations on my tv. Now, I haven’t watched US media in years, as I got those services online, but it’s so nice to kick back in bed and watch BBC World gloriously on my television.

  18. The response seems heavy-handed, US better get out of there soon because Gadhafi is going to play the underdog victim and start getting sympathies.

    Also the Rebels seem to be seeing the protection as their own “air support” and are advancing again.

    President Obama calls for the moral strength of peaceful protest – the rebels are moving armed.

  19. Howard Fineman gets it right sometimes, but other times he’s off the mark.

    Keep in mind, he is a Huff and Post operative. Queen Arianna takes pride in indoctrinating and brainwashing folks, especially since it pays well.

  20. Fox lies – yet again – who would’ve guessed ….

    “WOLF BLITZER: I want you to explain what you know about this suggestion Fox news reporting that you, a Reuters crew, some other journalists were effectively used by Gadhafi as a human shield to prevent allied fighter planes from coming in and attacking a certain position. Explain what you know about this.

    ROBERTSON: Wolf, this allegation is outrageous and it’s absolutely hypocritical. When you come to somewhere like Libya, you expect lies and deceit from a dictatorship here. You don’t expect it from the other journalists. […]

    They sent a member of their team. He was not editorial. He was nontechnical, not normally a cameraman.

    I see [Fox’s corespondent] more times at breakfast than out on trips with government officials here. So for them to say and call this — to say they didn’t go and for them to call this and say this was government propaganda to hold us there as human shields when they didn’t even leave the hotel, it’s ridiculous.”

  21. BBC is good if I’m remembering correctly because they just loop their newscast when there isn’t anything new breaking, whereas the American media makes news stories up to fill their timeslots.

  22. Yeah, I don’t see Bernie Sanders, Alan Grayson, Anthony Wiener, Dennis Kucinich, or any of the UNprofessional left heroes being able to answer questions as effectively and articulately as POTUS has.

    I know the right wing has their gripes about POTUS because they can’t accept a black man in the Oval Office, but the UNprofessional left is really stretching to attack him. I mean comparing him to George W. Bush and calling him a Republican, DLC, corporatist shill, etc etc etc… all based on emotions and idealism and not actual facts or policies of the President.

    And I find it telling that their solution is to primary POTUS or go third party. I mean we saw what the last Democratic Primary in 1980 got us: eight years of Ronald Reagan, an epic failure.

    As for third parties, what are their platforms? “Vote for us because we aren’t the Democrats and Republicans”? What a waste of a vote. It’s like these UNprofessional left folks would rather live in exile and “cling to their principles” rather than compromise, come up with real world solutions and actually assist in making progress happen.

    In the end, POTUS and the rest of us will prevail. When push comes to shove, these UNprofessional left folks will probably end up voting for POTUS again behind closed doors.

  23. How does this work because I have Roku as well? Is it a subscription to these news orgs or what?

  24. Of course Fox lies, lying and spreading lies is their modus operandi. Goebbels and Hitler would be proud of the work that FoxLies is doing.

  25. #random timeline is full with tweets
    from chile..everyone so excited to have the
    Obamas in their country 😀 ..don’t think i’ve
    mentioned this, but there is a 100% free app
    called “TweetDeck” and it can be used for ur iphone, ipad or computer…it basically puts
    all your favorite followers/following folks
    in columns that stream in real-time…
    You can also sync it with your facebook, linkdin, myspace, 4square accounts to post your tweets
    simultaneously..It even TRANSLATES TWEETS..VERY COOL..!!

    Thats how I keep my eye on everyone…10,000 + followers is a lot of people to track.

  26. It’s such a vapid analogy. IMO this has nothing to do with forward or backward thinking at all. It’s just an intellectually dishonest claim spreading disinformation about the Libya action and revising the history of the Iraq War IMO. The US didn’t even officially bring this to vote in the UN! It was proposed by UK, France, and Lebanon (although I’m sure that the US was heavily involved in the diplomatic negotations). But to compare this to what took place during the runup to the Iraq War and rehash the time hyperbolic, vapid, fact-free claims the President Obama is Bush—classic purity swarm, and it’s beyond tiresome at this point. I don’t even want to hear much about what this group of predictable people are ranting about any more.

  27. I have not yet completely formed an opinion on the Libya situation yet. My initial gut feeling is “bad idea”. However, that Peter Bergen article on the cnn website that you linked to earlier was a good read. Draws some thought-provoking comparisons and distinctions, and lays out an interesting case. Best opinion-article I’ve read on this so far.

  28. I had an epiphany on my way home from work.
    1. Remember when the president was first elected and the radical right kept saying ‘they think he is the messiah. They expect him to fix everything. He is doing too much’. Sure ‘nough, what does the PL say? He’s not working fast enough. We haven’t gotten _______. What he gave isn’t good enough. We need more, more.
    2. This time, Radical right says ‘he is spending too much time on the brackets’. PL ‘he is not leading’.
    3. The Republican have no one to run against the President. The PL, he should be primaried. No, he should be impeached.

    The PL and the Radical Right are the same, my friends. I know it hurts. Yes, they will give us a token bit of truth every now and then to keep us coming back for more. But they are not on our side.

    Next time, let’s listen to the radical right and the professional left – which includes DEMS who identify themselves as progressives – will bring their words into fruition. This should be a game we should play. We need a name for it. LOL

  29. I was one of those people who was so excited when we got left radio and then msnbc go Keith and on. I was a faithful excited watcher. Then things started changing. I quit listening to the radio, then cut back on the TV, I just want us to have some good pundits who tell the truth. I don’t like giving up but I guess I have had it. Now that I know all the other places to get the “news”. Thanks BWD and all the family here for showing the way!

  30. This, to me, is a piece of reasoned criticism and disagreement. How utterly refreshing to hear from someone who stands in opposition to this move and is able to state that in sane fashion. Thank you.

  31. Go to The code for the BBC is BBCN. The code for Al Jazeera English is ALJZ. Then go into the Channel Store, exit the Channel Store, and the channels should be there on your menu.

  32. hehe..TOO MUCH..!! 😀

    From my twitter timeline:

    RT @WestWingReport: Santiago pool says locals got out of their cars to watch president’s motorcade tonight; big crowds gathered on city bridges.

  33. The Professional Left ARE Republicans. I doubt many of them voted for Obama in 2008 and I am pretty sure they won’t vote for him in 2012. Also, I think race plays a role in BOTH left and right “stretching to attack” Pres. Obama.

  34. I think that it was because the UN did not put its stamp of approval on GWB’s invasion of Iraq that many conservatives hate the organization to this day. I’ve noticed that almost every blog I visit where the UN is mentioned, the conservatives are there to trash the organization. I am glad that the role, and legitimacy, of the UN has been revived under the Obama Administration, too, gn.

  35. “The PL and the Radical Right are the same, my friends. I know it hurts.”


    Now we have to do everything we can from now until Nov 2012 (and every day after that) to be sure they hurt fewer and fewer people.

  36. This particular lie, as I am sure you realize, is particularly dangerous. It could have led to concern in the joint command, it could have even further endangered innocent Libyans because of that concern. Fox is totally deceitful and dangerous and I hope they are investigated by the FCC and Justice Department for concocting such a dangerous lie.

  37. I have swung so many different directions since this started, from fully in support to disagreeing with the decision to use force and back again. It should be noted, however, that at no time have I considered Obama a war monger, worthy of impeachment or anything else.

    I don’t want to look at the Libya thing from a political perspective, because I don’t think decisions like this one should be made for political reasons, but rather because it is the right or wrong thing to do. And I truly believe that Obama makes decisions with little, although not no, regard for political consequences.

    Yet, from a political standpoint, as was lead article on the previous thread mentioned, this was definitely a risky move. If in 2-3 weeks Gadhafi is no longer in charge, and the rebels work towards establishing a stable government, then it becomes a total win, specially if no coalition lives are lost and there is minimal loss of civilian lives in Libya.

    However, if 1) the Arab League does not provide any support, 2) coalition lives, and particularly American lives are lost, 3) civilian lives are lost, and 4) Gadhafi survives this and still punishes the Libyan people, then Obama can’t win next year. I wonder if the opposition of some Dems is taking this into account. If it works out well, they won’t necessarily be punished by the voters, and since it will strengthen Obama, it probably also strengthens their electoral prospects. At the same time, if it works out poorly, they can say they were against it from th beginning.

  38. If only more and more of the press had the guts to call out the pox news lying, propaganda etc., the world would be a better place.

  39. I agree with you. And it’s becoming increasingly more difficult for them to hide their racism – now that the Teabaggers have fizzled out.

  40. Just a quick observtion about the PL, much as I dislike talking about them. However, I think this is important to recognize.

    During the Bush years, there was constant complaint about the imperial presidency, where the President just did whatever he wanted to domestically and in foreign situations with minimal regard for Congress, etc. Even the non-left Sullivan finally got tired of it.

    Then along comes Obama, a man who definitely understands the restrictions placed on the Presidency by the Constitution. So lets look at what the PL wanted him to do (and some like Sullivan as well)

    1. Get rid of DADT on his own, screw Congressional repeal of a law.
    2. Force a Public Option through, screw what Congress wants.
    3. Close Guantanamo, depite the fact Congress won’t authorie funds to do so.
    4. Get rid of DOMA, despite the fact it requires either Congressional reversal or being shot down by the courts.
    (and there are other examples, but this is a good start.)

    Now, however, because he is doing something which is fully within his powers to do, he is an imperialist and bypassing Congress.

    So I guess it is okay to bypass Congress to get what you want, but not whn you are doing something they disapprove of, even though there is no requirement to go to Congress first.

  41. Totally agree, AuntSis522. I think more and more people are coming to the same conclusion, and noticing that many of the most prominent PL pundits “used” to be Republicans. I call it the “Okie-doke” as in “people starting to not fall for the okie-doke”. The Urban Dictionary defines “okie-doke” as: “believing a lie; falling for a scam or con game”. Sound about right to me.

  42. I have no doubt that tomorrow BWD will have it posted. I am missing it myself so look forward to that.

  43. Thanks gn. I do still fully support Pres. Obama, even when I disagree with him. He remains well beyond the best possible person we could have in the position during this period of time, in my opinion.

  44. I was on the treadmill watching Rachel. Wanted to get off and come post here “Thank you, Rachel. First sane “pundit” I’ve heard today.” A number of you beat me…..but I was exercising!! 🙂

  45. Physics predicts that religion is on the way.

    “A study using census data from nine countries shows that religion there is set for extinction, say researchers.

    The data reflect a steady rise in those claiming no religious affiliation.

    The team’s mathematical model attempts to account for the interplay between the number of religious respondents and the social motives behind being one.

    The result, reported at the American Physical Society meeting in Dallas, US, indicates that religion will all but die out altogether in those countries.

    Nonlinear dynamics is invoked to explain a wide range of physical phenomena in which a number of factors play a part.”

    An interesting read.

  46. The only consistency I see from the PL is to be consistently against whatever course of action Pres. Obama takes. Had Pres. Obama not acted in Libya, the PL would be on TV calling the President weak because he allowed Khadafi to slaughter his own people whose only crime was seeking democracy. They have it in for Pres. Obama, make no mistake about it. Libya could have evolved into a Dafur type situation with mass civilian casualties. I am glad that Pres. Obama acted to protect innocent human life. Any military action has risks, but a limited military engagement designed to stop massing killings of civilians and supported by the international community, has my support.

  47. From Wikipedia, our own version of the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy: The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war.

  48. Since last year the number of adults who say their primary source for news is the internet rose by 17%. The number who said cable news dropped by 13%. Internet news sources are now almost tied with local television news as the number one means by which people consume their news.

  49. Exactly japa1!! The very thing that they hated Bush for, they want Obama to do. He doesn’t do it and yet they call him Bush-lite. Go figure!

    I hate that they disrespect us so. I hate that they sell us out for pennies.

  50. Thanks for the poll. 70% support the military action. No wonder the MSM is in overdrive to bring those numbers down.

  51. I’m not nearly as certain as you that this is a make or break presidential decision. I think that the media is completely overstating the nature and scale of this action, something which will become obvious as we back off and NATO takes over. I think that the Dems who are once again calling President Obama everything but a child of God are displaying the characteristics which have kept this party out of political power for years and years and years despite the relative popularity of our ideas. The stridency, the extremism, the default setting to eat one’s own. I don’t think I’ve ever heard President Obama demonize or disrespect any one of them in fashion; this isn’t mere criticism.

    It is what it is.

    That said, principled, reasoned *factual* about the merits of this plan, the implementation, and ideas for making the intervention as short-dated as possible are a good thing. Unfortunately we see lots of mania, hysterics, and a pile-on dressed up as “critique.”

    Prayers to the people of Libya and may they have the wisdom to take President Obama’s wise advice. Despite the US media’s claims, this is not a war with the US and French military serving as an extension of the rebellion. This is an intervention into a conflict in order to prevent one side from committing atrocity upon the other. The Libyan people need to be *very* aware of that fact IMO.

    Thanks for the analysis, japa.

  52. The PL wanted their own imperial president to make real their Christmas lists in the first month of his presidency by a string of executive orders. When it turned out that even congressional Dens didn’t want that list PBO got delayed and the frustrati into spasms of “traitor!”. Adults don’t play that way.

  53. I wish Ed Shultz had read it. He starts off his newscast complaining about the President and claims Americans are not happy about this, when the polls completely contradict him. So, I turned him off.

  54. Great opening from Ed Schultz tonight – on trusting President Obama and giving him the benefit of the doubt.

  55. Rachel is the ONLY liberal I trust right now, and she’s doing a great job. Richard Engel’s reporting was very interesting.

  56. Twitter:

    RT @capecodgurl: @vdaze I just can’t decide who would be the better, more electable ticket in 2012 Kucinich/Moore or #Nader/Hamsher?

  57. I must admit, I am truly conflicted on the military action in Libya, and I can see and understand both sides. For one, I am reflexively anti-military intervention in almost every case. I do understand the need to prevent Libya from devolving into a bloody massacre. At the same time, it is a civil war–and would we want to get involved in every civil war/internal conflict? There’s even others going on right now as we speak, but we’re not intervening in those countries. It also is different to me than the cases of ethnic genocide (Rwanda, Bosnia, Darfur, etc.)–in which case intervention is very much justified on humanitarian grounds, in my opinion.
    However, if intervention is deemed necessary (and I trust this president, particularly, to make those decisions for the right reasons–even if I may not always agree with it), then I do believe that Pres. Obama and the administration definitely went about it in the best way possible in such circumstances.

  58. I don’t watch or listen to “the talkers”, but that’s where I’m at too. I might not necessarily agree with this decision, but I do trust Pres. Obama and he always gets the benefit of the doubt with me–he’s more than earned it.

  59. So, is it Kucinich hopes that the house can get together and impeach the president? But, a budget for the last fiscal year – let alone this fiscal year – is totally out of the question. What gives?
    The PL have been running with this “impeachment thing” for a good two weeks, now. Just last week it was Manning/Wiki-leak. I thought the Issa/Republicans were going for the ‘impeachment’ stick – looks like the PL beat them to it.

  60. Wow, I must have turned it off too soon, because I was hearing him say the American people didn’t want this in Libya, and that Kucinich wants to impeach him..yada, yada, yada. I thought more of the same anti-Obama rhetoric we’ve been hearing lately from Shultz.

  61. If he had not gone in, there probably would of been a massacre. Then what? How do we justify then not going in and allowing people to die? It’s a difficult decision all around. Our only hope is that it’s a short stay, and it looks like the US at least is going to hand over operations to the French/Nato etc.

  62. LMAO..!! 😆

    From my twitter timeline:

    RT @Im_bonafide: “Michael Moore rips Obama over Libya”. Rips? The only thing that fat slob could rip is the wrapper off a snickers bar.

  63. really….what I saw was a hit piece from Ed….he said that General Mullen and Obama are not on the same page. He showed the clip of Mullen saying on MTP that Qhadaffi may stay in power and Obama saying the policy of the USA is that Qhadaffi leave! Ed was still confused even after showing a clip from Obama today stating the difference between U.S. policy (Qhadaffi leave power) and the military action (humanitarian).

    Ed was either lying his ass off tonight or is just plain stupid. There is a difference between U.S. policy and the purpose of the military action in Libya!

  64. hahahah rotfl….you guys are cracking me up. I need to go to bed now. Have to get up 5AM and go to the gym….

  65. hehe..From my twitter timeline:

    RT @AngryBlackLady: RT @Pnthrgrlgail: @Shoq I refuse to let these bitches win. Time to form @stopFDL and @stopSalon? // YES

  66. I think another factor to take into account is that if Pres. Obama had not acted and Khadafi was allowed to slaughter his own people, it would have stopped the Middle East revolution (many of us are celebrating) in its tracks. Pres. Obama gave Khadafi the same choice he gave Mubarek. Khadafi chose to kill his political opposition, and had to face consequences. The fact that Pres. Obama is willing to use military force will make future dictators more likely to take Mubarek’s path opposed to the road Khadafi has chosen to take, IMO.

  67. How can anyone with half a brain say that they do not know why the U.S. is doing this….OBAMA (and his administration) HAS STATED THE PURPOSE AT LEAST 15 TIMES SINCE LAST THURSDAY….what does Finemann not get?

  68. GOP will sign up en masse. I think Kucinich knows he’s finished politically and is going out in his blaze of self-indulgent glory.

    If he doesn’t lose his district, I hope DCCC finds somebody to primary him.

  69. What happens if there is another uprising in Iran? Is this precedent setting? Or will the angle be “Russia blocked UN approval” and do nothing?

    I just hope Iranians wait until 2013 for their next Presidential elections and realize that the US isn’t going to play referee.

  70. Do NOT worried,we must trust our president he is brilliant and carefully makes his desicions
    The MSM it’s all over do not know what to say if at all. I watched the press conf from chile
    and once again he schooled Jim from Chile that NATO is taking over please listen the press conference.Alson Bob Gates said so.

  71. She said this what we wanted and now pl are freaking out. she hit out the park tonight.

  72. Precedent setting implies that it would somehow force Pres. Obama’s hand. As I stated above, I think that the fact that Pres. Obama took military action will make future advesaries more likely to want to bargain and take Pres. Obama’s warnings seriously. Often times the credible threat of violence is enough to prevent actual violence. I don’t think Iran wants to goad the U.S. into attacking them (or allowing Israel to attack).

  73. Every nation is its own equation. What we might do in Libya could be impossible to pull off in North Korea orRwanda or Iran. Seems to me Obama is showing what should have been done with Iraq.

  74. Thx tiger for the rachel vid. She rips apart the usual talking points of the rethugs and the pl.

  75. Michael Moore is a F*CKING PHONY or someone here got in his ear 😆

    RT @MMFlint: Note to Republicans & Iraq Invasion Supporters: Your attacks on Obama’s war are hypocritical, hollow, & obscene. Your wars have wrecked us.

  76. Jon Stewart was an ass tonight. First he ripped the President for taking action in Libya, then IMMEDIATELY introduced John Oliver who ripped the President for not protecting protesters in Saudia Arabia! WTF?

    Went on Facebook to do a little protesting myself!

  77. Jon Stewart has a major inferiority complex with regards to President Obama. I’m not surprised by any of his Obama-bashing lately. He’s just as unhinged as the PL and far-right.

  78. These people have lost their ever loving minds. One thing I have noticed about most of these people with microphones, they all tend to have a wolf pack mentality.

    No one ones to be left out. In their minds they think it is feasting time, and so they each have to get their pound of flesh.

    I DO NOT watch the mean stream media. When I do, I prowl the web for foreign news. Even when they criticize, you can digest what they are saying because they are not just just not regurgitating something they heard someone else said on another network or wrote in an article.

    I am keeping my sanity by completely avoiding the literati, frustrati, the hyperventalitors, the clueless and trying to find reasoned discourse.

    I am so glad I come here because I glean so much from commenters here.

    As an aside, I am waiting for this president’s second term to be over. After that it will be the end of my active political participation. I will work on behalf of local races, but not wholly for the Democratic Party, after the treatment this president has received.

  79. People are continuing to show their true colors. They will get just what they deserve after president Obama exits the stage.

    Jon Stewart lost me long time ago with this disrespectful interview with this president during the Mid-terms.

    I don’t care much for any of these guys, even when they praise this president. I am fully done with them.

  80. Yes, Hack Howard Fineman was actively poo-pooing the poll, claiming that people voted for military action because they were confused about what it really does because the President had not explained things properly.

    I guess Hack Howard Fineman knows what’s in every respondent’s head because he was on the phone with them asking them exactly what they thought. ARSE.

  81. It’s been ages now since I watched stewart. He has now become a card carrying member of useless pl, I guess.

  82. Thank you GN for your thoughtful comment. I also abhor war but sometimes there is no other alternative to stop insane leaders who vow to destroy their people because they no longer support their rule. What has impressed me about President Obama is that he has clearly stated that the military action he took was to support international law that calls for the protection of people facing slaughter from their government. Like you I am glad that the legitimacy of the U.N. is being upheld. What I would like to see is genuine reforms of the U.N. Security Council to ensure that it is more Democratic and reflects world diversity.

  83. Thanks so much for the joy you bring here BW:) I cannot tell you how
    many times each day I check out your blog – THE BEST:)

    The guy on Rachel tonight – Steve Clemmons from ‘The Washington
    Note’? I thought he was very perceptive and well spoken. Maybe you
    might want to check his blog out – and if it passes:) also put it on your list. Thanks again!

  84. Fineman is full of it. Khadafi is very unpopular in this country. Reagan bombed him back in the day. Never saw a pundit refute a poll’s results like that. Now the only polls that count are one’s that back the anti-Obama narrative? What is going on in this country? The Fourth Estate is dead.

  85. Bravo nintendow! If the “Unprofessional left” decides to back a third party candidate, like they did with Nader in 2000, and Democrats end up loosing the presidency, then we must all hold them accountable for all the damages that are guaranteed to occur under the right wing teabagger/Rpublican presidency. I hope real progressives have been awakened by what is happening in Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Florida Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and the House of Representative, as a result of purist progressives urging people to boycott elections. I know the PL thought they were punishing President Obama, but, unfortunately, they ended up punishing the people they claim to represent. I am tired of people who think that the constant attacks on fellow Democrats are a winning strategy.

    The purist progressives may be emulating the tactics of the extreme right wing teabaggers. But, unfortunately, unlike the right wingers, the purist progressives don’t have the backing of big money corporate masters pouring billions of money to indoctrinate the people with the leftist messaging. In the end, their vicious attacks on a Democratic President ends up benefiting Republicans.

  86. hehe..something or someone got to Mr. Moore, because he’s tweeting another tune

    From my twitter timeline:

    RT @MMFlint: Republicans hate Obama so much it’s turned them all into peacniks! Now THAT is a lot of hate! #RisforReverse

  87. Jon Stewart is trying to turn the youth against Pres. Obama. He definitely has an agenda. He was never very funny, now he has lost his credibility as a truth teller. Hope Stewart falls off his high horse soon.

  88. I think Ed traditionally does/is both. I avoid him at all costs. (Just a tiny FYI – it’s Admiral Mullen :)) As Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Admiral Mullen is in his role to fully carry out the mission given to him by President Obama. If not, he’d be retired. Ed probably has NO CLUE how the military operates under their Commander in Chief.

  89. I agree with you Bobfr. Enough is Enough! Lies like this are quite dangerous and have absolutely nothing to do with freedom of the press.

  90. From my twitter timeline:

    RT @BKneon: Hi,I’m a teabagger.I LOVE wars,but I hate that Obama.I’m so confused right now.What should I do? Help me,Glenn Beck! #p2 #tcot

  91. Repeat after me: The limited airstrikes in Iraq are JUST LIKE plunging 150,000 troops, hundreds of tanks, and thousands of artillery pieces into Iraq for the purpose of occupation. They are JUST ALIKE.

    I know that may not make any sense on paper, but that’s the new PL marching orders. So, moving foward that means : Clinton’s mission in Somalia, and firing of cruise missiles into the Sudan were BOTH “WARS”, and shall now be labeled as such, as is Libya now a “War” too.

    I repeat:

    What Obama is doing in Libya is = 150,000 troops invading and then occupying Iraq for 8 years. So sayeth the professional left.

    (Shoot me)

  92. Would all of us contacting the DNC over the behavior of Dennis Kucinich
    do any good? I live in San Diego, one of 2 registered Dmes in our neighborhood. My neighbor frequently makes comments to me how my party must like to eat their own, he laughs. My father, a FDR dem remined me of a quote from Will Rogers “I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat.” Why do we always do this? The lack of respect for our President from the right is to be expected.

  93. Yes Nathan, a loud few people acted like such fools today that it obscured a very valid point of view: we need to be done with this concept of nation-building. There are people with legitimate reasons for finding this intervention, any intervention, problematic. Yet if it had to be done, couldn’t have been done better than through a *legitimate* institution, the UN.

  94. And while we’re at it, Clinton’s action in Bosnia is now retroactively a boon-doggle as well. Even though it achieved its objective without the loss of 1 American life, per the new directive from the enlightened Pro-Left it is now totally = invading Iraq.

    (again, please shoot me)

  95. You know thoughtful3, I think it is o.k to disagree with the President without demonizing him. I really commend you for your thoughtful opposition to the president’s policy on Libya

    Personally, I support the President because I’ve lived long enough to see brutal dictators try to annihilate people who dared to rise up in opposition. In the past, the world just shrugged and said it was all the business of internal affairs of each country. Really dedicated people have worked very hard to enact international laws that ensure that the international community does not continue to look the other way when masses of innocent people are being killed by their own governments.

    Col. Qaddafi, who has ruled Libya for over 40 years, could have responded the way Hosni Mubarak eventually did in Egypt. I am 100% certain that had Qaddafi not vowed to annihilate the people yearning for freedom, President Obama would not have participated in any military action against Libya. It seems to me that this was a difficult decision that the President had to make. I am sure the criticism would have been much worse if he chose not to participate in trying to protect the Libyan people and massive of them ended up being killed by Col. Qaddafi’s military.

    I am vehemently anti-imperialism. I also abhor war. But what happened in Rwanda, Bosnia, East Timor, Darfur, and other places has led me to believe that there are times when the international community must act to protect people from their own governments bent on killing them on a mass scale. I really don’t understand why people are criticizing this President for taking action that seems, IMO, aimed at saving lives.

  96. Obama can and probably will create millions of jobs, lower unemployment, restore America’s standing in the world, and advance progressive ideas further than any President in 80 years, and some “real Dems” will STILL find more edification from a 15 minute speech from Bernie Sanders or Kucinich just because they “tell it like it is!”

    Progress vs. posturing. And some in our “party” will trade posturing for progress any day of the week.

  97. Thanks, Nathan. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you stated in your post. I saw what you described in your post happen to President Carter when he ran for re-election in 1980, and I’ve never forgotten it because it changed the course of American history in a very negative way.

  98. I am not conflicted about this at all. I hate war but I hate dictators that want to stay in power by any means necessary even more. I hate leaders who treat their countries like there personal ATM, personal kingdoms and people as ther subjects. I feel the people should revolt first and then other countries should help. I have a strong aversion to dictators.

  99. Nope! There will be no shooting you from anyone here, Darnell. I, and others, enjoy the insight your posts provide way too much.

  100. As a huff&puffer his job is not to think but to sputter, complain, and generally find fault with our president. As I like to call his ilk,
    “nattering nabobs of negativity.”

  101. Reuters is also good. You can follow all them and individual journalists on twitter for tweets and links. An efficient way to get fast breaking news in gargling places (Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Japan, Wisconsin).

  102. That should be “far-flung” places not gargling ( autocorrect gets me every time when I skip proofing).

  103. I don’t think it’s hopeless. The PL don’t make calls and knock on doors. The key is GOTV(especially in the light of GOP efforts to disenfranchise typically democratic voters.) that means organizing, registering new voters, and motivating new voters, minorities, democrats of all stripes, to vote. Selling health care, protection of the middle class, fairness. Coming up with a compelling story. Maximizing use of social media. Links, tweets, videos. Harness out creativity. We actually have reality on our side. Can’t of any of the GOP group who can inspire the energy and commitment that POTUS can do when fired up.

  104. I would just relax about Stewart the guy is a comedian and not to be taken seriously at all. They make fun of everyone and John Oliver is quite funny sometimes. Of course I stopped watching Stewart when he started ripping the left as much as the right. He used to just rip the right up but now how become progressively less funny as his jokes towards the left are weak and not very substantial.

  105. I absolutely agree with you GN that there are many thoughtful people genuinely concerned with this Libyan intervention. I also know many decent people, including some dear friends, who are opposed to any use of violence to settle political differences because they believe violence never resolves real grievances. They prefer the non-violent approach. Then there are people who rightly point out that the West, including the United Sates, has no business trying to impose morality given its history of violations of the rights of non white people.

    While I respect all these valid points of view I still think that they all do not directly address the immediate question of what to do with Libya. Should the United Nations, and the U.S., have repeated the same mistakes as they did in Rwanda, East Timor, Darfur, and other places, by failing to protect the masses of Libyan people, who were under the threat of possible slaughter from their dictator, Col. Qaddafi, who vowed to crush people opposing his 42 years rule?

    I believe that President Obama was right to opt for the use military force to protect the Libyan people. I just don’t see how else he could have avoided supporting, and actively participating in the implementation of a U.N. Resolution aimed at preventing mass murder of people by their own government.

  106. once again, many thanks bwd;

    i get my “news” from the web,

    so i especially appreciate your having sorted out the wheat from the chaff so that your followers get the essentials in one place

  107. Exactly. I was thinking about this last night. Obama has been spending the last two fulfilling a lot of things on the liberal wish list. Some of it not exactly to their liking but nonetheless he’s getting a lot done that Dems have not been able but they give more credit to lib Dems like Weiner who gives good rants on the House floor.

  108. Concerning those who feel this would set a precedent. Keep in mind several things:
    1. The opposition forces in Libya requested assistance.
    2. The Arab League initiated a call for a no-fly zone.
    3. The UN passed a resolution demanding this.
    4. This cam only work in specific circumstances, i.e. when the forces in the country involved are not all thsat strong to begin with.

    People wonder most often about Iran. When the Green Revolution happened there and all the RW were demanding US involvement, Obama made it clear that Iranians needed to solve the problem, while at the same time calling out the Iranian government. But, most importantly, the Iranian protestors specifically requested that the US stay out of it, even when they were being killed on the streets of Tehran.

  109. From my twitter timeline:

    RT @WestWingReport: RCP: Obama 5.1% over Romney, 5.8% over Huckabee, 9% over Paul, 10.7% over Daniels, 14.5% over Gingrich,15.6% over Palin, 16.0% over Pawlenty

  110. Also, Iran is a different cup of tea when it comes to wars. They have capability to strike back with their own missiles. It would have been a disaster for west.

  111. Ditto. I am also changing from a democrat to an independent. I am over ideology driven people from both the left and right.

  112. Bobfr, I saw this in real time and couldn’t believe a reporter was actually calling them on their lies.

    The words are great to read, but I encourage everyone to follow your link and watch the clip. It’s more than worth the time!

  113. That’s right, gn, and Maddow did a fine job of pointing up the differences between President Obama’s handling of this situation and his predecessors’ handling of similar situations. I am a pacifist, but as I have said, I have no expectations that this government or other governments see things the way I do. What I do say in defense of my pacifism is that every time violence is used, no matter how minimally, to settle a conflict, it validates its use in future situations. If we are ever to move past violence (and surely we can evolve that way), the first step is to stop using it. I believe that every situation involving violence could have been prevented before the fact, but I know full well that would take far more enlightened beings than we are at this point in time, including myself.

  114. Well actually I think the fact Germany did not show up for the vote said a lot. They could have showed up and vote no like they wanted to but they decided not to. I appreciate that from them as well as China.

  115. Not only that, but one of our downed pilots was picked up by the rebels and taken good care of! This is especially important and needs to be spread around, as it indicates that the rebels are grateful for the US intervention!!!

  116. Well, we took out alot of the SA-5 missles OUT, that kaddafy has. Those are radar locked to the target, which is why we sent tomahawks at them.
    Also, Yes, Iran does have more of these same type of SAM sites, however, if we sent in Stealth fighters or bombers, they could not lock on!
    Just saying!

  117. This guy is a joke! Maybe he can take his ugly ass and go back on his UFO! Afterall, years from now, we will all find out he was abducted by aliens, according to him!

  118. He is fundraising today off his call for impeachment to preserve an independent vice. Despicable!

  119. Of course he is. Same with his fringe left brethren on the net and the pundits on television – outrage puts money in their pockets. They’re all grifters cashing in.

    It worked for them during the Bush years when many of them got established, and they don’t know any other way.

  120. You guys really called this yesterday; several commenters here stated that this is what Kucinich was up to: mining the PL’s fauxgressive audience for money. smh.

  121. I will pledge to anyone who can defeat him. He has gone off the tracks. No better than Issa.

  122. What happen to the rule you are not suppose to critisize the president when he is out of the country.Oh it don’t apply to this president.

  123. Couldn’t get much more stark in terms of evidence about what the PL is about: attention and money. God bless anyone who sends in money in response to that email. Just unbelievable.

  124. This is koochoonich’s presidential explararoty committee, trying to see how much support he gets from the PL.

  125. Get them now for money, and the closer to the election he’ll buddy up to President Obama again to try and get some of that coattail money. He figures nobody other than the political junkies are engaged right now, so get money from them now, and then appeal to the regular voters closer to the election.

    He’s pretty damn pathetic.

  126. What will really get him mad is, this President will ignore him. Polls will come out showing him 60 points behind, and he will call for debates. POTUS will ignore him, primary will come and go, and so will Kucinich and the money that the PL gave to him!
    Also, I saw the PL had Sestak on every channel bashing the POTUS!@ What, you think he just goes out there on his own? And he was on HANNITY? WOW!

  127. There’s so much wrong with this article.

    1. Going on a trip doesn’t equal expanding your “foreign experience” when speaking about candidacy for the Presidency.
    2. Comparing this grifter/quitter/ignoramus with President Obama in any capacity is a non-starter.
    3. Her quote that she doesn’t want to leap into a “life-changing” decision, with regards to running for the presidency, is a direct contrast with her interview with Charlie Gibson when she said she “didn’t blink” when deciding to become a vice-presidential candidate.
    4. Wearing the Star of David doesn’t mean she understands anything about Israel or Jewish people – remember, this is the woman who used the phrase “blood libel” as a prop in trying to justify her incitement of violence that led to the gunning down of several innocent people.
    5. This woman is an idiot.

  128. Good Recovery News!

    Job growth may be stronger than it appears.

    Another healthy drop in unemployment claims reported last week is the latest clue that job gains might be more robust than the Labor Department’s monthly reports show.

    Some economists say jobless claims and other recent data show that employers likely added 200,000 to 300,000 jobs a month this year, rather than the 128,000 average reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).

    The reason for the possible disparity: The government tends to underestimate both job gains in a recovery and job losses in a recession, the economists say. That helps explain why the nation’s unemployment rate has fallen more sharply than the modest payroll increases suggest. The jobless rate was 8.9% last month, down from 9.8% in November

  129. President Obama’s disaster management gets solid marks

    The U.S. and other countries began cruise missile and air strikes in Libya on Saturday — an effort to protect civilians from attacks by the country’s long-time ruler Muammar Qaddafi.

    A CBS News survey shows that exactly half of Americans approve of how President Obama is handling the situation in Libya, and just 29 percent disapprove. Twenty-one percent said they did not have an opinion.

    President Obama receives more support from Republicans on this issue than he has on domestic issues such as the economy and the deficit. Forty-three percent of Republicans say they approve of how the President is handling the crisis in Libya, and 41 percent disapprove. A majority 66 percent of Mr. Obama’s Democratic voters said they approved, along with 43 percent of independents.

    On another pressing international issue – the U.S. response to the earthquake, tsunami and nuclear crisis in Japan – President Obama receives a much higher approval rating.

    More than seven in 10 Americans (73 percent) say they approve of the President’s handling of the U.S. response to the triple disaster, and just 14 percent expressed disapproval.

    What other President in my lifetime has had to deal with “triple disasters”. PBO is doing a phenomenal job!

  130. Unlike Kucinich, I think Sestak could do damage in a primary challenge, not defeat PBO, but hurt him in the general because Pa is a very key state.

    This is the same jackass who tried to pin the Administration with offering him a deal. No doubt in my mind he’ll work with Issa if there is ever an investigation on it.

    Didn’t PBO and VPB spend a lot of time campaigning for Sestak in Pa in October 2010?

  131. Despite the Jealouse MSM! Out in the real world, people are jsut scratching their heads. I bet he will get alot of votes for handling all these different crisis…

  132. Actually, I saw the beginning of Ed Schultz last night at midnight (I never watch him) and he began by stating that he supported the President in this move. I saw that Kucinich was to be on later and I turned off the television.

  133. I cannot understand it when the PL and the Republicans say the President has not told the American people the reason, purpose, or defined the Mission in Libay.

    What in the world are they talking about?
    He has been clear and specific from the start.

    I took notice that when I ask conservatives or liberals ( PL) who are bashing the President over Libya if they listened to or read about the President’s statements last week or listened to his press conference, and so on…they all reply they do not listen to any of his speeches, press conferences, or read his remarks. I am shocked, I must admit, that so many on the PL who claim to be progressives, brag about ignoring anything this President said and refusing to listen to or read his remarks.

  134. Theo its because they stay in the “site that shall not be mentions” world thinking that the “base” of the Democratic party is in agreement with the views of that site.

    Most people I encounter when out volunteering have never even heard of that place but these wantabees latch on to every view over there.

    That was the problem that I had with Keith Olbermann who I think is a phenomenal writer. He just lost his perspective when he started believing his own press and celebrity from those people. It was a shame because he could have been a fierce advocate for this administration but he chose to go the “orange way”. Sestak and Kucinich are exactly the same. Unfortunatley for them they will learn the truth soon enough.

  135. The thing is, we have BUSH Phuck ups, and still have subpoena power in the senate.
    I am sure this was discussed, as a possible way to subside this nonsense from ISSA!

  136. Typo, LOL, I meant to say Libya.

    I am an old gal and just when I think I have seen or heard it all; the frustrati and PL come along and bash this President relentlessly. I expect this from Republicans and Teabaggers. I expected better from Democrats and Liberals. It is so sad really that they really never gave him a chance.

  137. Because they want to define the mission for him! that is, they want kaddafy dead! And that means US troops on the ground!
    And that means more ratings for the MSM!

    did raygun go through this when he bombed kaddafy? Nope! He hit his family with a couple of bombs, and raygun was a hero! Sigh!

  138. Very small portion of dems(PL and frustrati), but they have money and connections in the MSM! That is all! I would bet you, they are NOT even of the democratic party!

  139. And btw: Lawrence Odonell and Howard Fineman are hacks. Howard came on yesterday and agreed with kaddafy saying, that he thinks the rebels are al qaeda and terrorists, and that we are protecting them!
    WOW! so, now Odonell and fineman are on kadffys side? REALLY?

  140. Folks on the fringe left lobby MSNBC hosts like corporate lobbyists work over politicians. They get constant emails from the fringe left in support to the point they believe there is much wider support for the garbage they are spewing. Not to mention Olbermann and Cenk diaried on fringe sites, Shultz was a speaker at fringeroot nation.

  141. Conservatives have a plan. They will institute deep cuts in federal spending, which they claim will create jobs. They will refuse to compromise with President Barack Obama as they make these cuts. And they will shut down the government if necessary to get their way. The public disagrees with each and every part of this plan.

    First, they don’t believe cutting federal spending will create jobs. A just-released Washington Post/ABC News poll asked the public whether large cuts in federal spending would do more to create jobs or reduce jobs in the country. More thought big cuts in federal spending would decrease jobs (45 percent) than increase jobs (41 percent).

    Read the entire article here:

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  143. YUP! This wonderful act will NOT get any credit, but it has done alot of good! I wish we had another just like it! I am serious!

  144. Obama Administration has a plan as well, keep up with these CR’s cutting areas that the Obama budget was going to cut, once those Obama cuts run out they’ll draw a line in the sand and force the GOP to shut down government over desired cuts to education, women’s health and infrastructure spending.

    Also as the CR’s continue months and months, Administration will have more and more positive job numbers to show for their side of the recovery. I figure there will be one more CR, as this current one runs out in early April, and Boehner will not want to have a stoppage before Easter. So we’ll be looking at a early May stoppage. Which would just so happen to coincide with the first Fox GOP primary debate on May 5th.

  145. makessense, I don’t know if everyone knows about a piece put together on The Obama Diary. chicksticks calls it HYP.O.CRITE.

    It refers to Michael Moore’s use of nonunion employees on his last film. Plus, he does not provide any kind of health care for his crews.

    It made my heart sing!

  146. After calling the president’s decision to act in Libya an “impeachable offense,” Kucinich Monday posted a letter on his website asking supporters for help in “putting together a broad fundraising structure to make sure that I’ll have the resources to continue to be a voice in the Unites States Congress.”

    “The Obama administration’s decision to attack Libya was made without any Congressional approval,” said the seven-term congressman from Ohio. “It’s outside the Constitution of the United States. Whether you like President Obama or not is not the question. The question is: if you like the Constitution more.”

    “We are bombing Libya right now. Congress did not approve this action, according to the Constitution. Such an action lacks legality in the United States and the President should have to answer to that,” he continued.

    Rep. Kucinich is wrong, ethically, politically and constitutionally.

    The President has 48 hours to notify congress and he did, as was pointed out in a supportive diary at the the Blog That Shall Not Be Named:

    The President sent his notification to Congress regarding the Libya situation in accordance with the War Powers Act. The law requires such a notification within 48 hours of commencing military actions.

    Quite a bit of ink was spilled yesterday by folks suggesting the President was not complying with the War Powers Act because he had not notified Congress. But, of course, the criticism was premature and in this case unwarranted since the 48 time period had not yet elapsed. It has now, and his notice has been delivered.

    At this point the law requires that hostilities by the US cease within 60 days unless Congress approves.

    Here’s a stroll down memory lane when Kucinich gave a press conference about why he was switching his vote to yes for healthcare reform:

    “You do have to be very careful that the potential of President Obama’s presidency not be destroyed by this debate,” said Kucinich. “Even though I have many differences with him on policy, there’s something much bigger at stake here for America.”

    Nobody is asking him to compromise his convictions. We are asking him to be careful and accurate when he uses phrases like “impeachable offense,” particularly when in this instance it is inappropriate and untrue.

  147. Woot wooot…for all the people that collect the yearly White house Easter eggs through the national parks foundation I just go the email that they are up for presale. Still we don’t have the theme yet, but I know it will be just as awesome as the previous ones. I have been collecting them ever since our President Obama has been in office. Woot… so fun.

  148. *I know the right wing has their gripes about POTUS because they can’t accept a black man in the Oval Office, but the UNprofessional left is really stretching to attack him.*

    My take: Unfortunately, during the ’08 campaign, it suddenly dawned on me that there were many racist Democrats (some high profile), as well as right wingers, who didn’t want to see Barack Obama in the White House. I don’t know why that came as a shock to me, but it did. I was crushed. How naive I was (I guess I was a 60-something white woman living in la la land).

  149. Debt ceiling vote is all about bluster. When the GOP has the White House the Dems talk about blocking raising it (Hell, Obama voted against raising it once), and when the Dems have the White House the GOP can grandstand on it. But when it finally comes down to a vote the votes will be there. It would destroy the American and World Economy not to and you can bet the CoC and Koch Bros even want it raised.

  150. FiredUpInCA: Well done! This post, exactly as you packaged it, needs to go viral!

  151. Majii, I feel like I am in the twilight zone. Is BWD not going be engaging today?

  152. WIW – President Obama made a promise to our Tribal Nations that he would not forget them … he’s making good progress so far! I love it.

  153. I think PBO’s multilateral approach is the right direction for US foreign policy but the divisions between the allies about who will take control of this mission show some of the limitations of that approach. I believe that our diplomats will be able to work through it. Frankly, they have to because if they don’t and the US has to continue to lead this intervention it will diminish the UN as well as PBO’s FP approach. It will give every future president a reason to bypass the UN. Plus, you’ve got Repubs, Jamie Rubin and other senior FP officials under Clinton chomping at the bit to say that the Obama admin is doing this wrong. But the fact that Amb. Rice and SoS Clinton got China and Russia to abstain from voting instead of vetoing the resolution leads me to believe that they will pull this one through at the last minute too.

    More articles on the divisions between the allies.

  154. NYT today. The underlining premise is that the United States is leading this assault and providing all of the missiles and equipment.

    According to the paper, now that the US is
    almost ready to back out, the other parties do not want to finish the fight. I am a bit concerned that they might start arguing between themselves and say the US will have to finish the task.

    Frankly, it is quite worrisome. Any feedback from anyone? YOu smart ones out there?

  155. The key is that Kucinich wants to create a fundraising structure. This nonsense can always be traced back to money.

  156. This is from the same article which you cited, overseasgranny.

    Apparently, “someone” forgot to exercise “common sense” and neglected to obtain permission to visit Bethlehem, opting instead to just show up unannounced. Yet, she fervently believes that she is presidential material…

    “Photographers at the scene said that no one got out of the car before it headed back in the direction of Jerusalem, a 20-minute drive away, via a nearby monastery.”

    “It remains unclear why they drove away, or indeed whether Mrs Palin had actually intended to visit Bethlehem, which is under Palestinian control. Israelis need permission to enter Palestinian territory. The Israeli military authority that coordinates West Bank access for foreign dignitaries said that it had received no request from Mrs Palin’s team about a visit to Bethlehem.”

  157. Shame on Kucinich (for more than one reason, in addition to the almighty dollar grab).

  158. Earlier someone mentioned Steve Clemon’s website, The Washington Note. I read articles there from time to time and have found it to be a good resource on foreign policy issues.

    There’s an interview up now entitled, “Charles Kupchan On How Nations Make Peace Council on Foreign Relations,” which discusses the approaches that have been taken in the past in dealing with other countries, as opposed to what is being done now under the current administration.

  159. Dorothy, From what I am hearing, all is OK. It sounds like they are putting together some kind of joint leadership on this and deciding which countries and what responsibilities for them. The US will still be out in days!

    For reporting on the coalition side, Sky News from London seems to be the best. Strangely enough it is a Murdock station, but since the rules in Europe are different, it is actually a decent station for news.

    You might see if you can get it live on the net.

  160. Next time someone proclaims this is an illegal war and how not going to Congress was an “impeachable offense” hit them with this and watch them STFU.

    He HAS approval
    There’s such a thing as delegated powers. Congress makes a law that says we need to keep airlines safe and then they delegate the power to the FAA to make rules to make that happen. They can also delegate power to the United Nations and other countries in the form of treaties to allow them to use our forces if they so choose. WHICH THEY DID!

    Chapter VII, Article 42 of the UN Charter: (in its entirety)

    “Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 (non military) would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate¬¬¬, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore internatio¬¬¬nal peace and security. Such action may include demonstrat¬¬¬ions, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.”

    **Now, while Article 1 Section 8 of our Constitution gives the right of declaring war to congress, the following law as part of the “War Powers Resolution of 1973” (specifically Title 22) allows the president to override that, in regards to existing treaties and international charters.**


    “Use of armed forces; limitations — The President is authorized to negotiate a special agreement or agreements with the Security Council which shall be subject to the approval of the Congress by appropriate Act or joint resolution, providing for the numbers and types of armed forces, their degree of readiness and general location, and the nature of facilities and assistance, including rights of passage, to be made available to the Security Council on its call for the purpose of maintaining international peace and security in accordance with article 43 of said Charter.***The President shall not be deemed to require the authorization of the Congress to make available to the Security Council on its call in order to take action under article 42 of said Charter*** and pursuant to such special agreement or agreements the armed forces, facilities, or assistance provided for therein: Provided, That, except as authorized in section 287d–1 of this title, nothing herein contained shall be construed as an authorization to the President by the Congress to make available to the Security Council for such purpose armed forces, facilities, or assistance in addition to the forces, facilities, and assistance provided for in such special agreement or agreements.”

    **Therefore, there is nothing illegal or unconstitutional about President Obama’s actions, within this context. It is precisely the context which makes any comparisons drawn to Bush and the Iraq War completely false and ignorant .—d000-.html

  161. I was thinking that maybe she is tied up with responsibilities related to her job, Dorothy. At least, I hope this is the case.

  162. Sestak is NOT a good fundraiser and he doesn’t have money himself. He is also a disorganized campaigner who makes the serious error of having members of his family control his campaign and refusing to listen to or coordinate with those who know what they’re doing. He is not “beloved” in Pa, nor is he that widely known, which was at the root of his problems in his fight against Toomey, who though a complete right-wing idiot, has had spent years making his name known through his many battles with Specter. In my opinion he is also a very dull speaker with an erratic tonal quality that that makes him difficult to understand.

    I honestly don’t think Sestak would know the first thing about conducting a national campaign and would not go far if he tried. There were times in his senate campaign when Sestak appeared politically tone deaf in his statements and speeches. His current criticisms seem like Sestak responding to his own private drummer, no matter how off the beat it sounds.

  163. I continue to be amazed at having a group of “lawmakers” in Congress who don’t know the law. If I were in Congress, I’d at least read the law before making an azzzz of myself like Kucinich is doing!

  164. I don’t think that any of us who are a part of the Pragmati Brigade ever thought that they DIDN’T have ODS, Eclectablog.

  165. “The PL and the Radical Right are the same, my friends. I know it hurts.”

    AuntSis: Thanks for speaking truth. Truth does indeed hurt. But as the good book says, knowing the Truth “will set you free,”

  166. Selective memories on the part of the corporate-sponsored media. What are the chances that this segment of history from GWB’s past will be mentioned.

    War, Bush Style

    “Jed Lewison reminds us about George W. Bush’s posture towards Qaddafi and Libya:

    “To recap: when Bush was president, he repeatedly praised Gaddafi’s leadership, going so far as to say that that Gaddafi had renounced terrorism. Bush restored diplomatic relations with Gaddafi, sent Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice to Tripoli in September, 2008, and even signed an executive order giving Gaddafi immunity from lawsuits over the Lockerbie bombing.”

    “Read that last part again, then think about Lindsey Graham questioning the current president’s masculinity in the context of the 2011 Libyan action.”

  167. Insipid, great find! I was operating under the assumption that PBO would have to go to Congress in 60 days under the War Powers Act. However, it seems like he doesn’t. So, will he be impeached for following the US Code? *eyeroll*

  168. I hope you feel free to tell them that shoots their credibility in the foot. They don’t know what they think they know, and yet insist on telling us that what they know is true. Willfully ignorant. Jackasses.

  169. Jovie, I have always though Fineman was a Republican operative. Just my instinct. He’s affable which I think serves him as it distracts from his deviousness. I think of him the same way I think of Arianna Huffington, they are snakes.

  170. During the Rwanda Genocide, approximately 800,000 men, women, and children were killed in 100 days. Although activists, who were smuggled out of the country to the U.S., pleaded for help on the behalf of the Rwandan people, none was given by the U.S. because Congress was not interested in seeing young boys come back in coffins. The official position of the U.S., under President Clinton, regarding this matter was, “It’s U.S. policy not to intervene in armed conflicts.”

    If I recall correctly, the Belgians tried to help but didn’t have the necessary forces to stop the mass killings and they withdrew.

    As strong as my anti-war beliefs are, I’m having mixed feelings about the situation in Libya. That said, I hesitant in condemning or criticizing the actions that have been taken because, hopefully, it will save lives without a bloodbath occurring. I know this may seem contradictory but life, and emotions are complex, and I’m just trying to be honest.

    So, should we try to prevent substantial loss of lives through the use of violence, or should we stand on principle allowing innocent civilians to be killed because it requires the use of violence to help them? All I can say is that I’m glad it’s a decision that I won’t have to make…

  171. Thanks Tiger for sharing the video. Rachel did a great job in explaining the difference between Obama’s approach to foreign policy and the approaches of past presidents.

  172. Here you are. I wrote a comment about an interview on Steve Clemons’ website that I read earlier today. I thought it made some good points and validated the approach that is being used by the POTUS.

    Charles Kupchan On “How Nations Make Peace”

  173. Well said Darnell! Please check out Norbrook’s blog. He really does a masterful job of explaining why all these non stop criticism of Obama probably has more to do with racism than differences on policy.

  174. LOL!


    Your post reminds me of that line from an old Steve McQueen movie where the warden, or the gang boss, tells him, “What we have here is…a failure to communicate.”

    I think that about sums up the ranting and raving of the talking heads and PL…

  175. Apologies for re-posting this from earlier but I think it’s relevant to your comments.

    Selective memories on the part of the corporate-sponsored media. What are the chances that this segment of history from GWB’s past will be mentioned.

    War, Bush Style

    “Jed Lewison reminds us about George W. Bush’s posture towards Qaddafi and Libya:

    “To recap: when Bush was president, he repeatedly praised Gaddafi’s leadership, going so far as to say that that Gaddafi had renounced terrorism. Bush restored diplomatic relations with Gaddafi, sent Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice to Tripoli in September, 2008, and even signed an executive order giving Gaddafi immunity from lawsuits over the Lockerbie bombing.”

    “Read that last part again, then think about Lindsey Graham questioning the current president’s masculinity in the context of the 2011 Libyan action.”

  176. May I have your permission to use your comments, as is, and sprinkle them throughout the blogosphere?

  177. Rep.Barbara Lee joins Kucinich in declaring her ignorance about the law and Constitution which she has sworn to uphold. She mentioned on the radio, quite confidently, that the President’s actions were unconstitutional. I was astounded, and still have not recovered. They’ve forgotten that President Obama is a Constitutional scholar, and actually taught Constitutional Law. Those in Congress have had to have the Constitution read out loud to them like kindergarten students – after they’ve already sworn to uphold said Constitution… Big difference. And they’re going to find out how stupid they look when the President comes back and points that out.

  178. Excellent. Hope you emailed it to the foot-down-his-throat Kucinich, and similarly fated Barbara Lee.

    They’ve demonstrated a lack of such basic knowledge as to further make themselves indistinguishable, intellectually, from their teabagger House colleagues.

  179. The cbc is a band wagon brigade, that has done nothing for the AA community. They are so stupid to fall for this distracting trick to keep americans from asking about jobs.

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