The Ambulance-Chasing media really wanted a new Iran Hostage Crisis. President Obama didn’t cooperate. How rude!

Hi guys,

So, as Rachel Maddow said the other day, President Obama waited until the very last American was out of Libya, before he “dropped the hammer” of severe sanctions. Yesterday, the president went one step further, and said that It’s time for Gadhafi to go.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama has called on Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi to leave power immediately, saying he has lost the legitimacy to rule with his violent crackdown on his own people.

With that shift Saturday, Obama dropped the careful condemnation, threats of consequences and the reminders to Gadhafi’s regime about its responsibility to avoid violence.

The president called on Gadhafi to step down for the first time, saying the Libyan government must be held accountable for its brutal crackdown on dissenters. The administration also announced new sanctions against Libya, but that was overshadowed by the sharp demand for Gadhafi’s immediate ouster.

“The president stated that when a leader’s only means of staying in power is to use mass violence against his own people, he has lost the legitimacy to rule and needs to do what is right for his country by leaving now,” the White House said.


Obviously, they don’t mention the real reason the president kept relatively silent during the previous week – probably because it doesn’t fit the narrative that this shallow, clueless, ambulance-chasing media wanted to build – but the public saw hundreds of Americans getting safely out of that hell, and nothing is more important. Maybe that’s why the president is back to 50%  in yesterday’s Gallup, and the media will  have to keep looking for their next “Black Jimmy Carter” moment. Good luck with that. 


On a different matter, thanks, Jovie, for the link to this lovely slideshow from yesterday’s rallies.

Have a great Sunday, good people.


223 thoughts on “The Ambulance-Chasing media really wanted a new Iran Hostage Crisis. President Obama didn’t cooperate. How rude!

  1. It’s clear that the media wants President Obama to bomb every country to kingdom come, that’s why I don’t pay attention to what they say.

  2. BWD I couldn’t agree with you more regarding the hoped for “Black Jimmy Carter” moment. A few days ago the awful WAPO has a scathing editorial regarding PBO talking “last” about the crisis and excoriated him for not leading the pack. Now this morning they have a front page article on “why” the admin held back. Really? I am no diplomacy expert but I figured it out several days ago.
    And oh yeah….he’s at 49% at the RAZZmatazz.

  3. The MSM have not gotten it straight yet this President thinks first then acts. The old song says fools rush in,but our President is no fool. If you truly watch the MSM and talking heads on TV they really believe they can run this country better than our President. They just don’t know how to deal with a man of thought, who has the power of reasoning. They want the President Obama to run to the front every time something happens to say everything He is going to do.They all have the 30 second mind set and nothing else.
    Thank GOD we have a quiet thoughtful President Obama.

  4. Jovie/BWD – the pictures are awesome. Thanks for sharing. I love the ones that say ‘we are the ones’ that we have been waiting for. A wise man said that. Can’t remember his name…its right on the tip my tongue… 🙂

    IMO – all media in the US is right wing. Those bastards have legitimize the war in the first place. Where was the bashing and gotcha journalism under #43? Guess its only done on even term presidents and black ones and really smart ones! hmmm, got it now.

  5. Happy Sunday,all:) For crying out loud! The media seems to want a big drama everyday, SO THEY DON’T HAVE TO WORK HARD TO DO THEIR JOBS! If some major catastrophe is happening every minute of every day, they deal with that story like the rest of us eat the whipped cream off a sundae, They’re crazy to eat that off, and then they “pick” at the ice cream till it melts…not THAT good.They deal with the issues on the surface and don’t want to really work at digging down to other layers of the story…deeper and deeper is not their motto!Hence, we have not only “spun” news, but news that is easy to digest because I guess a lot of Americans still want that “instant gradification”…all the “news” sounds like TMZ to me…just enough for the dumbed down masses because they can’t handle anymore than that.When you have an entire hunk of America that the truth doesn’t even matter to,it’s a recipe for disaster.That’s why this place we call home is so important, and why I am deeply indebited to BWD for creating our very own educational oasis, because if we’re all going to wait for the MSM to enlighten the populace,oh shit…are we in trouble! That’s our job…one by one, day by day,friend by friend…until they get a clue.When the President said, “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.” he meant that on so many more levels than we ever knew…

  6. Speaking of figuring things out, I called my new Tea party Representative Bucshon (Indiana’s 8th) a few days ago after watching the President’s closing of the small business conference (clip on this blog) because I was so psyched (small midwest bus. owner here) and mad about the GOP trying to do everything it could to ruin the momentum with their machinations. The aide was nice (first time) and said they had no intention of shutting down the government and had an extension in mind. I was thinking about Reid’s proposed extension when he said that. Later I read a National Review article on the GOP maneuver to create a very brief extension, then lower the boom so that they can shift blame to the Democrats for the shut down and avert the 1995 scenario. I was so mad after reading that that the next day I called Bucshon’s office back and talked about the article’s premise. Talk about switching from Dr. Jekyl to Mr. Hyde. The aide was down right verbally abusive. Treated me far worse than ever before. I was thinking afterward that he was pissed because he didn’t want their plan revealed (think Walker). Then I read this morning I think in the Wash. Post. and Huffington Post that the GOP has “backed off” the precipice of a shutdown and proposed a short extension. So everyone be warned. Hope the Democratic leaders are one step ahead of this.

  7. Here BWD is the full article detailing the options that the White house was considering. It’s a fairly detailed article. Washpo reported the exact same concerns you state in your post.

    First get Americans out then secure strong international consensus so Gaddafi does not think of stalling because he smells some fracturing in the international resolve. The unanimity has been accomplished at the UN. And now for the US ALL options are on the table including military plans.

    That is the way it should be, but oh no the drama queens want shock and awe!!

  8. Good Morning, OAITR family! Blessed are the peace makers. President Obama continues to govern by Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount message.

    Matthew 5:9

  9. The media doesn’t care about the risk as u’ve
    stated GN….I caught the end of a segment
    on tv last week about Gov. shutdown and the
    pundits were giggling about which branch would
    have to march out to deliver the bad
    news…The must not have relatives or neighbors the way they cover serious issues..

  10. “White House caution in response to Gaddafi’s actions was guided by fears for the safety of Americans in Libya”.

    Gee, what a find! Good job, MSM!!!


  11. One of the things I enjoyed reading about yesterday crowd in WI – 70,000 strong – is that they were there for themselves. No President Obama or rock star that the RWMSM can say was the reason for the large crowd. I absolutely love it when we prove them wrong. Yes, we are the ones we have been waiting for!

    Until further notice, I am putting all MSM with the RW. In my view and opinion, there is very little difference. I am sorry to those who love Rachel Maddow. For a paycheck or under pressure from her colleagues, she will bow down and bash the president just as good as Cenk. In their quest to be fair, they paint only one side of the issue – the fringe right and left. So I have decided to call them as they really are – RWMSM Right wing Main Stream Media. I apologize in advance for any confusion.

  12. I’m sure most of you have heard about the Wisonsin Lie by now but, just invade you haven’t:

    The Wisconsin Lie

    Given that fact, one that has been completely unmentioned and overlooked and intentionally left out of the rhetoric coming from Governor Walker’s speeches, is there any doubt whatsoever that his actions to strip these people of their collective bargaining rights is anything but a crass power grab to bust up their unions and kneecap the Democratic party which is the main recipient of union political (and financial) support?

  13. BREAKING: Wisconsin Police Have Joined Protest Inside State Capitol

    From inside the Wisconsin State Capitol, RAN ally Ryan Harvey reports:

    “Hundreds of cops have just marched into the Wisconsin state capitol building to protest the anti-Union bill, to massive applause. They now join up to 600 people who are inside.”

    Ryan reported on his Facebook page earlier today:

    “Police have just announced to the crowds inside the occupied State Capitol of Wisconsin: ‘We have been ordered by the legislature to kick you all out at 4:00 today. But we know what’s right from wrong. We will not be kicking anyone out, in fact, we will be sleeping here with you!’ Unreal.”

  14. Good morning, all. Our president is so brilliant. The WaPo is so full of it.

    So the bobsey twins (McCain and Lieberman) were on State of the Union crying that the U.S. should give Libya arms, President Obama needs to do more, we should get tough, blah, blah, blah. McCain even had the gall to say that American lives were “a” priority but not the only priority. Two idiots.

    I shudder to think this crazy, war-hungry fool could have been president instead of the intelligent, thoughtful man we have.

    What is it about republicans that make them want to attack everyone? They attack other countries, their fellow human beings, their government (of which they lie, steal and cheat to be a part of), their president, everything. They are not happy people.

    That bought-and-paid for witch Nikki Haley was on This Week and the first thing she did was attack the Wisconsin democrats and call them cowards for holding up the vote. That’s the new repub talking point. But it was ok for the minorty senate to filibuster everything a democratic congress passed and to put holds on much needed judges and everything else. It’s ok to try and repeal a law legally passed by congress.

    This Week also profiled a tea party congressman who got elected in a district outside Chicago who wants to shut down the government. This joker tried several business ventures and failed at every one. And he thinks we has the answers to successfully run our country? He only won by 200 votes which to me says it all about how we got in this mess. We democrats did not vote our numbers. So many of these were close races that we could have won. It’s a shame.

    Sorry for the rant, but the republican party is un-American and do not want what’s best for this country.

  15. You remind me about that news conference a while ago where a reporter asked Obama why he didn’t react sooner (I think it was in the context of Wall Street bonuses). Anyway, Obama said something like, “I like to take my time so that I know what I’m talking about.”

    Do you guys remember that one? What a smackdown!

  16. I am convinced that the media promotes drama over truth to generate interest in their product (website, TV program, newspaper, magazine) so that they can sell space to advertisers. It’s all about the benjamins. I’m sure they’re all salivating over The Queen’s AOL payoff. Huff & Puff is hyperbole central. The days of journalism = reporting the facts are over. Thank God we have folks like BWD who post FACTS (along with a little PBO love :))

  17. I am with you AuntSis522

    I do not watch the RW or PL MSM because it is NOT NEWS. I watch PBS, CSPAN, and now Al Jazzere (sp) for real news. I will scan CNN, MSNBC to watch a bit of LO or RM but once they start bashing the POTUS I turn the channel and watch HGTV for real entertainment. I stopped watching CBS, NBC, ABC Nightly so-called News years ago and will only watch local news for the weather. If I want to know what the POTUS is doing I come here. Thank You BWD, Electablog, and all the other positive blogs for doing a terrific job. I spread the word to everyone I know when they want to know what is REALLY happening in this country.

  18. Good Morning.Another thing that was not reported. the passengers all said that they were treated well had plenty of food and that the Us Embassy staff took care of their every need. They were told why they could not leave. Once they got to the ship they were relieved and well taken care of.

  19. Good Morning ALL,

    I am so thankful for this place. The first place I come to in the morning to read what our PBO is doing for our country. Thank God he is our president. I support him no matter what because I know he is doing what is best and he has ALL the facts, not like these RW/PL pundits, noise makers, and personalities who dishonors our country for money and their self preservation.

  20. When the police announced they wouldn’t be throwing out the demonstrators, but instead would be sleeping there with them, I almost lost it.

    This is the kind of thing those teachers in Wisconsin teach their students about America!

    E pluribus unum: memo to the unions!

  21. POB – This is Reason #4M why I can no longer watch any of these Sunday morning shows.

    If he weren’t Bush, Bush would be starting to look “good” compared to McCain. At least Bush pretended. But now McCain admits he doesn’t care all that much about Americans (or getting them out of Libya). His main role, he seemingly admits, is to do anything to go against our President.

    Recall John McCain!

  22. And if you can’t recall John McCain, then I think he should be impeached. Whatever’s appropriate for a U.S. senator (in name only).

    Just to cheer myself up, so I stop ranting, I’ll remind myself of a Halloween decoration I had during the ’08 campaign … a picture of two ravens on an orange background … one raven says “John McCain” and the other says “Nevermore.”

  23. Now this line from your link is great, in these days of pro-unionism:

    “America’s Newspaper Guild, the journalists’ union, has started a campaign to target the Huffington Post as having a business model that has done great damage by not paying contributors.”

  24. The Wisconsin attack on workers is:

    1. a continuation of a long, long GOP tactic of voter suppression, without which they could not win. In the wake of the Extreme Court’s idiotic decision that corporations = people, with the avid assistance of people who misled many with claims that they were “progressive” or “liberal”, they laid claim to enough of the halls of power that they can now “legally” move to prevent the opposition from being able to raise money to oppose them. At the very least, they see this as a good business decision that will keep their anti-democratic campaign expenses lower than they would be if unions were able to mobilize support and contributions. No unions = no union money. Pass the cigars.

    2. To what extent are workers willing to fight back? What consequences will the Wisconsin legislators have to pay? That goes for other states as well. Other than political organizing, what are people willing to do? This is indeed a war, not a skirmish.

    The WaPo article on the President’s Libya deliberations and actions makes clear that they thought long and hard about not only when it would make sense to say/do something, but also what the most effective action(s) would/will be. Shooting from the hip, as the foaming-at-the-mouth fools like Tweety would have had him do, could and most probably would have put Americans in danger of being killed or captured as hostages. It would NOT have stopped the killing. The mentally unbalanced dictator of Libya can be counted on to make things worse. Now he can be isolated with little leverage and the international community is much more likely to take concerted action against him, something that has been missing in the past in these situations.

    The President did the correct thing. The Post editorial board did the right thing, i.e. the Right Wing thing. They get so much wrong these days, it is clear that they are Right.

    Finally, we all need to be in solidarity with our fellow working class/middle class/lower class citizens in this class war now that they have finally dropped the pretense that they are opposed to class warfare.

  25. Happy Sunday my Adult family. It is such a joy to come here every morning. I still love the title “No Drama Obama” He gets the work done the right way by looking at the whole picture. I am so thankful he is our President. Even if the msm and Repubs are so stupid. I believe the people of America know and the people of the world are very thankful. We will continue to do all we can to support him.

  26. Verbally abusive?! Do you record these conversations? Cuz you could, although I think you’re obligated to tell them that the conversation is being recorded. You know, for quality control purposes.

  27. David Gregory on MTP showed why Pres Obama should not be in WI…he tried to make it all about the president and tried to get Trumpka to call him out about breaking his promise to march on the picket line…MSM is so ridiculous.

    On a second note, I love Rep Cleaver…

  28. They want drama regardless of the risks. And it’s not just the right wing media either.

    Damn. You beat me to it.

    On another board I visit, there is the usual group bashing the president for not going down to WI and walking with the protesters. These people have SUCH short memories and have no idea what governing is really about.

  29. Very fine rant. There are people in this country who think that we can and should serve as the world’s policepeople and constantly be in a war. That a primary function of the US White House is to serve as *the* world authority. And I’m seeing now that it’s not just the right wing either. I thank God that POTUS rather than Mr. McCain is in the WH.

  30. To all who are watching the events of our time have noticed how our President has asked two corrupt leaders to step down from office,then stepped aside and let history take it’s course. The press just spends to much time trying to find President Obama wrong that can’t see anything else. You see He is the true leader of the free world. The reason, I say that is because of our past history.The world knows our history better than we do and are watching all the time.But his election showed the world that we the people rule and made a change from the Bush style of leadership to a true leader of people who has understanding for all. President Obama is pragmatic but the vision is always clear. That vision is people control their own destiny to a point. But we all must do it together to make the community better for all. What those don’t see the change we voted for is here not only in the States but world wide. The dictators of the world have been sick since we elected President Obama because it is a complete sea change in leadership on so many levels.The main problem is he thinks way to much about getting things right for all and not just for one group.

  31. That’s exactly right. It’s the beginning and the end of it. And is also why some of the large new media spaces which want to be representative of the left run so counter to our best interests. They’re about $$$$$$$$$ first and foremost, with any helping the grassroots to organize liberal or progressive causes incidental to that primary purpose. And it really shows.

  32. Anyway, Obama said something like, “I like to take my time so that I know what I’m talking about.”

    And they still don’t get it.
    With Bush’s rushing us into war, you’d think the media would pause and appreciate the president taking time and thinking things through methodically. But no, they won’t learn from past mistakes.

  33. SMH. The media loves the sort of “balanced” panels in which all participants slam POTUS from the right and “the left.” Arianna Huffington, for one example, has numerous times, gone on tv and served as spokesperson for the left, bashing POTUS in concert with the right. Dismayed but unsurprised that Gregory attempted to lead Trumka into bashing POTUS, and indeed, the shady media coverage whenever POTUS gets involved in anything (remember his remarks about Gates and the cop leading to a media meltdown which threatened to throw HCR off course?) requires the WH to tread carefully in order to avoid becoming the story, taking attention from Walker and the Republican state senators.

  34. This video is great!
    The Washington Federation of State Employees, AFSCME, honor their union brothers & sisters with their own version of On Wisconsin (fight song) during a noon rally in the Washington State capitol building in Olympia

  35. The GOP’s lies in this regard have become quite transparent. Shepard Smith of Fox”News” laid it out:

  36. I’m thinking maybe Dick Gregory doesn’t understand the difference between protest rallies and strikes. These workers are not striking or even holding job actions. They’re simply protesting.

  37. The Sniveling Smarmy Two go to Egypt:

    US Senators John McCain and Joseph Lieberman toured Tahrir Square this Sunday morning, the start of the Egyptian work week.

    The congressmen were accompanied by US ambassador to Egypt, Margaret Scobey. During the tour, they met with several citizens and military police in the square. Lieberman wrapped himself with an Egyptian flag before handing it to one of the citizens in the square.

    Got there pretty damn fast, didn’t they?

    The article ends with this:

    Lieberman added that the US has imposed sanctions and a no-fly zone on Libya..

    I grant you I haven’t listened to much news today, but last I heard we had not imposed a no-fly zone. Anybody hear anything different lartely?

    Imagine Lieberman wrapped in an Egyptian flag. Is there anything this creep won’t do?

  38. Hes going to make David Gregory eat his words. Just like he did for Chris Matthews, when he tried to say his libya speech was weak, now who looks weak , Chris Matthews.

  39. I think I read somewhere that the tea party people did show up to some of these rallies yesterday to counter-protest in support of Walker. I find it interesting that the Tea Party supports GOVERNOR Walker of Wisconsin, but the rest of the protesters support THE PEOPLE of Wisconsin.

    How do you tell if a protester is for the people or against them? Spell check.

  40. IMO where you have spaces for which the primary purpose is to make the site owner $$$$$$$$, the door is open to all sorts of ratf*cking because sensationalism, combat zones, screaming and fighting draws in eyeballs (I’m not talking about smaller sites collecting ad money or subscriptions or people simply drawing in a decent salary for full-time blogging; I’m talking about mega media companies which need a great deal of eyeballs and free content supplied by others to make money, and for which that revenue is distributed to a small group of people). But the profit motive is why there’s all the bashing and tolerance for sensationalist, over the top rhetoric and political drama as entertainment no matter the IRL risks.

  41. The tea party is not as many as claimed. They bus their protesters from place to place.

  42. He’s not the only one pushing this meme. Clear, blatant gambit to turn very bad behavior out of the GOP into a story at which there’s supposedly equally bad behavior from POTUS. So utterly transparent. Same divisiveness from the same people in the media.

  43. The Media WANTS to go to war. That way they can cover that instead of what’s going on in this country. Look at all the damage the Bush Administration did while no one was paying attention during the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq. The press want their diversion tactic. Then no one will notice what the republican governors are doing to their respective States.

  44. Thats got to be a typo. You say the poll that is FNC’s holy grail of polls has President Obama at 49%? Can you imagine what his numbers would look like if we didnt have friends like the ones preceeding and following Rachel’s show, not to mention FNC and Fox light? Can you imagine Johnny Mac and adviser Joey the Hawk Lieberman dealing with Egypt and Libya? Maybe after remembering W’s 8 years of Middle East policy and having listened to Republican Presidential candidates expressing thier thoughts lately on FNC concerning all the shit we’re dealing with here and abroad,not to mention the continuation of Glen the crazy man’s show, even FNC viewers are breathing a sigh of relief that the goon squand is not in charge of policy anymore. One can hope.

  45. Bingo! Astroturf. Proof: with the protest organizing under the radar and the size and duration of the protests underestimated, the Koch Brothers/Walker were caught way off guard and had to scramble to bus tea party people in. We lost in November because of swing voters IMO; the tea party promotes an elite agenda and of course will be afforded with disproportionate media attention. The left is also really distracted right now for several reasons.

  46. I have a question for all you lovely people that have those beautiful pictures next to your names. How do you do that? I know very little about computers, so can you give me instructions?

  47. oh please. as if they are concerned about him keeping a promise. Had Obama gone the topic would have been:

    Should the president be interfering in state business?


    Why is the president on a picket line while hundreds of Americans are at risk in Libya.

    F-them all! spare me their sudden concern over promises. For the past two years Obama has been trying to keep his promises and all these shows do is act like he’s overreaching.

  48. From my twitter timeline:

    RT @WestWingReport: President in Dad mode this morning. Coaching a basketball practice for Sasha, Malia & friends at a nearby location.

  49. Thanks desertflower, and I hope that this is not rude, but if anyone would like to read this article outside of CorruptingPost, here’s an alternative link:

    One thing which I have to say is that for all of these new movements and attempts to create something on the left which mirrors the teaparty, really, the only rally, march, and protest which we needed was the march to the voting booth which POTUS tried to lead last November. People like Huffington, with her irresponsible nonsense about both parties as the same, as JUST AS responsible for the November results because of the confusion which she merchandises and for which she earns a great deal of profit. Would there be unionbusting in Wisconsin right now if people like Huffington told the truth about the difference between the parties and the dangers of the GOP?

    The left continues to be confused and distracted by some very sketchy information gatekeepers…

  50. Go to wordpress and register and them got gravatar , you will have to download a picture you want.

  51. symmetry, that is priceless!!!! Thanks for the link!,_limbaugh_and_o'reilly_are_afl-cio_union-affiliated_members

    “Yes, you read that right. While Hannity, O’Reilly and Limbaugh have been railing against union workers in Wisconsin, all three of them belong to an AFL-CIO affiliate union.

    A report voted to the front page of Reddit Friday claimed that Hannity, Limbaugh and O’Reilly were union members, as well as Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter. Right-wing blogger Michelle Malkin called it the “stupid lie of the week,” insisting that neither she nor the “other Fox News personalities being accused of ‘hypocrisy’ belong to the union.” As one might expect, Malkin didn’t know what she was talking about and the liberals were right (she herself, as just a frequent guest on the network, is not a member of the union).

    A representative from Beck’s camp denied the claim, but a source within AFTRA confirmed to AlterNet Friday that O’Reilly, Limbaugh and Hannity were indeed union members.”

  52. I’m pretty sure you only need to register at then upload your picture there. I didn’t register at wordpress. Gravatar is for all sites that use gravatars, not just wordpress.

  53. Good Morning Everyone

    So wonderful to see the video of Walker put out by the unions and to hear about the police joining with the demonstrators.

    Yesterday in SF I was surprised to see airline pilots speaking, I think the issue is spreading to all unions, not just public sector unions.

    If yo have the time to watch a video I made for this article

    Websites that Help Wisconsin prevail.

    At the very end of the article 2 photos of me and the hubby. Then the camera died.

  54. Thanks Tulips; it is what it is. She spends a great deal of her time bashing bashing bashing Dems, promoting both parties are the same content, swing voters are confused and believe the lies that Dems did nothing but spend big for Wall Street, the GOP is empowered, and people are surprised that the result is a lurch to the right? Something is VERY wrong in this country if the same people who bashed the stimulus as a sellout now claim that some of the programs which the stimulus well-funded and which are set to be cut due to the GOP in power, those same programs are now indispensable. I’m not thrilled with what I think is coming down the road in terms of the budget either, but the confusion, distortion, and lie tsunami which are aimed at distracting the left—this is just ridiculous. And AOL’s CorruptingPost is a big part of that tsunami.

  55. Those two joker has-beens go to Egypt with their camera crews after the fact, and wrap themselves in an Egyptian flag probably made in China. Who flew them there for their photo-op? The American taxpayers? What earthly good did they do for the Egyptians? I don’t remember any “McCain” signs held by any of the protesters, during the fight.

    President Obama takes the time to speak from the heart in Cairo before the uprising, inspiring whole populations. The Egyptians and others knew he was on their side. After the uprising, President Obama and Secretary Clinton reassure the world that the Egyptian overthrow was by the Egyptian people, and not through the meddling of the United States.

    One of these stories equals diplomacy.

  56. Eclectablog, I have to leave and can’t check this, but I thought I saw last night that this bill or maybe another said Public Utilities could be sold and something about there didn’t have to be a bidding process. Something about it meant Koch could buy the utilities. I’ve got to run — sorry to be so vague, but if this is in that bargaining bill then that is big news.

  57. That would be nice…but we here in the hate state already have our hands busy trying to recall the governor and her trusty side kick, King Russell Pearce.God, this state is a hot mess!

  58. This is a great article.

    Blogger and cartoonist Matt Bors revealed that he refused a HuffPo offer to put his work on the website because it would not pay him. He called the HuffPo business model of offering publicity and exposure instead of money “abhorrent”.


    It is a remarkable turnaround for Huffington’s image, which has long bathed in a glow of positive publicity. After founding the HuffPo in 2005, the former Republican and socialite rapidly turned it into one of the world’s most influential websites and a self-declared liberal alternative to the conservative Fox News channel. It won her plaudits from new media evangelists and America’s beleaguered Democrats. She became a regular pundit on cable news shows and a fixture of Democratic social circles.

    But not so much now, especially after Huffington said she had always envisioned the HuffPo as more than just a politics website and said it had no overall ideology. To many observers that seemed like a deliberate rewriting of the past, and certainly a strong suggestion that AOL’s corporate ownership would see it tone down the site’s liberal campaigning.


    The November elections convinced me of how badly we have been served by the lefty new media, a media which is dominated by a handful of for-profit media companies whose owners are looking to become bigtime political players/movers and shakers rather than merely empowering the grassroots. We’ve been played IMO. That’s why I kiss the ground that bwd started this space.

  59. You mean “David”? Dick is a comedian…or, maybe you DID mean “Dick”.That would fit anyway.

  60. I know people like to claim that it’s a fake movement, but there are people who truly believe in it and are heavily invested in keeping the ‘movement’ alive. It might have had its beginnings in a rant on CNBC, but the reality of what it has become is very different. I can’t dismiss it. The area north of where I live is all rural and every other residence has a We The People sign in the front yard. These people mean business and they are far more well-organized than I’ve seen them have credit for on this site. Several hundred of them showed up as a counter-protest in WA. Their candidate for Senator got 185,000 votes. That’s not chump change even if it’s not enough to win an election.

  61. Oops, meant to blockquote the second, third and fourth paragraphs, attributable to the article.

    I also noticed that someone quoted in the article mused about the outrage towards Huffington being driven by jealousy that she was able to get money for her blog. I really and truly don’t think so. She got popular by promoting a liberal alternative to Fox and Drudge, was able to promote herself all over the media with this, people came in and provided a ton of free content, thinking that they were helping with a grassroots response to Bush, and she stabbed them in the back. The dismay at that can’t really just be attributed to jealousy. Maybe a few people are jealous, I could see that possibly, but I think that a lot of people just feel betrayed.

  62. I did mean David…can’t keep these fools straight, but you’re right Dick is better. So glad I don’t have a tv signal.

  63. The TP had a “convention” here in Phoenix yesterday. Seems a fight of sorts broke out because of counterprotests regarding ending the wars. Tea Partiers picked the fight(surprise!)and the gibberish in the story is ridiculous. I wouldn’t read the comments on this site if I were you…fair warning…if you do,you will see what kind of idiocy we deal with in AZ.AAHHHH!!!!Aquagranny knows!Used to get into some pretty heated arguments on this site. Left it do to wasting my time on people that no amount of factual info matters….I’m thinking maybe they just could not read.At all.

  64. I am determined that we be armed with the facts about these republican hypocrites who think they should be president. So I will continue to highlight their hypocrisy and lies when I see them.

    To that end here’s an excerpt from HuffPO (yeah, I know that’s why I won’t link to the site) on Chris Wallace’s interview with Mitch Daniels, governor of Indiana. I’m shocked that Wallace actually pressed Daniels about how he as Bush’s budget director took the country from a surplus to a deficit.

    From the story:
    On “Fox News Sunday,” host Chris Wallace pressed Daniels on this point. “When you came in, this country had an annual surplus for the first time in 30 years of $236 billion. When you left, two and a half years later, the deficit was $400 billion. You were also there when President Bush launched his Medicaid drug benefit plan that now cost $60 billion a year. I know there was a recession, but do you think it was wise — at a time when we were fighting two wars — to have two tax cuts and launch a huge new entitlement?”

    Daniels said deficits during that time were inevitable. “It was a recession, two wars and a terrorist attack that led to a whole new category called homeland security,” he said. “So nobody was less happy than I to see the surplus go away, but it was going away.”

    While Daniels defended the Bush tax cuts and said he was proud to serve Bush, he also distanced himself from the administration:

    “Chris, I was proud to be part of that administration. Yes, I think the original tax cuts were good and timely and helped the economy to recover very very quickly from that recession. But if you want to know what I think about fiscal issues, don’t look at 2 1/2 years when I was in the supporting cast with no vote. Look at six years where I was in a responsible position, submitting budgets and fighting for them. There’s the record that I think is most accurate.”

    My response: Mitch, you were not a supporting cast member. You were the head fiscal guy calling the shots. And we know that Medicare Part D was a payback to your chronies in the pharmaceutical industry where you made millions as an executive. So please don’t insult us with this “I was just a member of the team” garbage.

    We need to continually call these liars on their incompetence and irresponsibility.

  65. It’s not jealousy and those who defend her know this. What she did was reprehensible. She wants to get paid for her work, why shouldn’t the bloggers and cartoonists and other creative people who made the site a success get paid?

    Did she once offer to share any of the profits of her deal with the folks who worked for her for nothing?

    Her actions are typical of republicans who think business should reap all the rewards from its employees’ hard work.

    Huffington is nothing but an opportunistic republican. She switched sides because she saw there was a void. Now she’s switching back to where her ideology has always been.

    The same holds true for the rest of the so-called left. Former republicans who want to cash in and are doing that at the expense of the American people whose very existence depend on the truth.

  66. Certain people/groups do nothing but sit around lighting matches, looking for something to ignite. President Obama’s been blowing out those matches for two years, but he needs some help.

  67. I just read the article. I can see why you felt that. Actually, it’s hard NOT to feel that. He could be saying, “How’s that hopey changey thing workin’ out for ya?”

  68. I read it in much the same fashion, and I read the criticism as relating to President Obama’s budget. To which I just have to repeatedly say, we would not be having these problems if we had gotten our stuff together and delivered big Dem majorities again. For people who need to see the difference between the parties? Dems won big in 2008 and we got the stimulus and an auto bailout which deliberately strengthened the autoworkers union, one of the biggest unions in the country. Dems split the election in 2010 and we’ve got a weaker budget coming down the pike, with some of those stimulus programs cut down, and the GOP in governors mansions busting up unions.

    People who insist that there’s no difference between the parties helped to deliver this mess, and are trying to sidestep responsibility by citing POTUS budget (which is a reflection of the reality that he has to compromise with a strengthened GOP) as justification for their “both parties are the same” claims. First time that I’ve been disappointed with something that I read from Jones. He needs to stop hanging around Arianna, who is herself a plutocrat who runs an exploitative business.

  69. You’re so right!!!

    And even if he wants us to look at his years as Governor, how about the fact that he outsourced things like medicaid eligibility to IBM and it failed so totally that IBM and the state of Indiana are now involved in competing law suits with each other.

    Yeah, that one worked out real well, didn’t it Mitch?

  70. And Trumka is not afraid to differ with the WH either. But really, I truly think that all of the attacks on POTUS for not appearing at the protests are opportunistic and meant to distract anyway.

  71. It’s just an excuse to bash President Obama IMO. I personally have no problem with people offering opinions about good strategy for WI and differing with the WH’s own, but when they get to the point at which they’re bashing the WH for not following their ideas or are questioning motives, I think that it’s just about bashing.

  72. ‘What those don’t see is that the change we voted for is here not only in the States but world wide.’

    Yes, oh yes! Now if we can only hang on to claim our part of it by educating ourselves, encouraging our neighbours, and voting. I have my own great vision of blowing the naysayers out of the political water in 2012, then watching to see how they do when the change is irrefutable. Unfortunately I’m not as good or patient a visionary as the President and his team.

  73. Someone posted the best analogy at the guardian’s site:

    “Imagine an independent publisher that invites hundreds of authors and novelists to submit brilliant short stories.

    They publish the works online for free with no commercial intent, and attract much attention from critics and the public alike. The stories are read by millions of people the world over.

    The publisher then packages the short stories in a big book, prints them and sells them for [hundreds of] $millions.

    I’d imagine there might be an element of consternation at this… Why is the HuffPo case with bloggers any different?”

  74. If anyone can handle having that awful Paul Wolfowitz on his Sunday talk show, it’s the fair-minded Fareed Zakaria.

    One of the first things out of Wolfowitz’s mouth (before I hit the remote) was that he is “mystified” at President Obama’s handling of the Libyan crisis. Well, Wolfie, I was mystified for eight years when Bush was in the White House. So talk to me in 2017, please. Until then, go away and take Rumsfeld and the others with you.

  75. Yep, these are the hypocrites who keep claiming government can’t run anything and only the private sector can.

    The government under President Obama did pretty darn good with GM.

    Under Daniels, a fiasco.

  76. He also cooked the books on the Medicare Part D I believe to make the cost smaller because there was legit pushback by some GOP in Congress – to the point that it was eventually passed at 2am after strongarm tactics by the whip.

    He also wrote the sunset clause into the Bush Tax Cuts to make their deficit exploding look not as big. Was he asked about if they should be extended now? Given he had them sunset to hide the real cost of them?

    Cutting taxes while fighting two wars – he’ll be faced with a nice little chart of where the country would be if the taxes weren’t cut and Medicare part D was paid for.

    Also I believe he was in the cabal that took the war spending “off the books” to make his budgets look smaller.

  77. I’m glad they’re using this prank call in Wisconsin. I’d like to see it run all over the country. Since it was 20 minutes long and he made many egregious comments throughout the call, MoveOn should have plenty of raw material without redundancy!

    I wish they felt it useful to use some of the supportive rallies throughout the country, too. For one thing, I didn’t see one misspelled sign, perhaps because they had so many teachers in the group.

    And we had a rally at the capitol in the godforsaken state of Utah, deep red, and “right to work” as it is! I’ve lived in this state for 45 years and watched it getting redder and redder. What a progression! It’s as if it became slowly insane as the years went by.

  78. Wasn’t McCain complaining recently about American’s stance on Libya – not confrontational enough, or some such?Hopefully he took his military clothing with him so that he can be dropped off in Libya. There are undoubtedly opportunities there for him to show his American leadership in more practical and physical ways.

  79. I knew something was up when Howard Fineman joined HuffPo. I still check in daily, but I think I’m going to stop. Even the people who post replies to stories are either republicans bashing Obama, or “progressives” bashing Obama. I can’t tell the difference. When I try to stand up for Obama, they often are rude and obnoxious in their replies to me. Not for me. I am so glad that I can come here, but I am very anxious about the future.

  80. I saw this. Awesome, totally awesome. Then I read a headline saying Walker won’t budge. I hope the threat of recall causes the Republican senators to cave.

  81. Also worth noting he said –

    “Daniels said deficits during that time were inevitable. “It was a recession, two wars and a terrorist attack that led to a whole new category called homeland security,”

    Wouldn’t that be defending President Obama’s deficits since it was a bigger economic collapse bordering on anothr great depression, the two wars were still being fought, and Homeland Security still exists?

  82. Well, maybe I wasn’t fully awake yet, or I just try not to think negative thoughts about a guy like Van.Or, I missed something.

  83. I know I worry about them too. They have alot, a LOT of money behind them and they’re being led by the nose. People with a little knowledge are dangerous. They tout the Constitution without even understanding it. It’s scary.

  84. I hope he didn’t really mean it to come out as a criticism of PBO. That would be sad, because Van Jones should know better. Especially as we’re getting closer to the election.

  85. A Piece by Ungar in Forbes — he excerpts part of the bill:

    “Check out Section 44.16.896 of Wisconsin Senate Bill 11, which reads–

    “(1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).

    “What this says is that the State of Wisconsin can sell or contract out management of state-owned heating, cooling and power plants without the requirement that bids for such a sale or leasing be solicited so as to maximize what the government can pocket through such an arrangement.”

  86. What do you think about this little gem of an interview on CNN this morning with Mike Huckabee? Is CNN now competing with Fox!

    “Fox News employee and Republican presidential contender Mike Huckabee said Sunday that President Barack Obama’s decision not to defend key parts of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) was actually alienating his African American base.”


    Fox News’ Chris Wallace talked with Huckabee about the decision Sunday.


    “You say that that could destroy the president,” Wallace noted. “Isn’t that over the top?”

    “No,” Huckabee replied. “He alienated the African American community. Overwhelmingly, they support traditional marriages more than Hispanics and more than whites. “Within the white community it’s about 56 percent, 65 percent in the Hispanic, 75 in the African American community,” he explained.


    “It’s hypocritical and it’s dishonest because when he ran for president, Chris, he said that he supported traditional marriage. He is on the record. Now, the question is, was he dishonest then, is he dishonest now or did he change his view? And if he did, when and why?”

    “In fact, White House press secretary Jay Carney explained Wednesday that Obama’s views on gay marriage were separate and distinct from this decision.”

  87. Oh you said a mouthful there gn. McCain is a mess- a hateful mess, that I never doubted would have been very dangerous as President.

  88. This video is IMHO the best one so far on the Wisconsin situation.

    I would encourage everyone to put this at their blog, send email about it, mention on Facebook, etc. Also send a note to the guy who made it

    his email address is below the video.

  89. h/t MonieTalks@weeseeyou:

    Apparently there’s a third Koch brother, Bill Koch, who sued his two brothers, Charles and David (the ones rabidly opposed to President Obama and who are funding a bunch of this union-busting gambit). Get this: according to Bill, his brothers’ companies stole millions of barrels of oil from federal lands and generally run horrifying operations:

    Bill Koch says that his brother Charles made a fortune stealing oil. Much of it from beneath Indian reservations and federal lands – places like national forests. Oil under federal lands belongs to the public. Koch Industries was the middleman – buying oil from the government at the well – then selling it to refineries. Bill Koch says that the company took more oil than it paid for by cheating on measurements.

    A gauger measures the volume and the quality of the oil that his company is buying. The buyer leaves his measurements behind on what’s called a “run ticket.” It’s an IOU to the well owner.

    “What Koch was doing was taking all these measurements and then falsifying them on the run sheets,” says Bill Koch. “If the dipstick measured five feet 10 inches and one half inch, they would write down five feet nine and one half inches.”

    That may not sound like much, but Bill Koch says that it added up. “Well, that was the beauty of the scheme. Because if they’re buying oil from 50,000 different people, and they’re stealing two barrels from each person. What does that add up to? One year, their data showed they stole a million and a half barrels of oil.”

    So the money that they’re using in this war on workers; some of it was allegedly stolen from US citizens.

    LOL we have got to get the GOP back out of power; these are the types of people who wanted badly to defund the EPA and do whatever they can to incrementally weaken regulations. Bit by bit, they’re weakened this country so much, and we have to retain our resolve to keep things moving in the other direction, despite any setbacks or disappointments. These guys didn’t let the setback of Dems winning in 2008 stop them; they kept going. We’re going to have that same farsightedness and resilience to stop this handful of greedy people who clearly don’t play well with others.

  90. Eclectablog, that is just the tip of the iceberg regarding what’s included in the budget bill. I’m re-posting to ensure that everyone sees it.

    “These lesser known proposals in the 144-page bill reveal how radical Walker’s plan actually is.”

    1. ELIMINATING MEDICAID: Secretary Dennis Smith. Smith would have the authority to “to override state Medicaid laws as [he] sees fit and institute sweeping changes” including reducing benefits and limiting eligibility.”

    2. POWER PLANT PRIVATIZATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL NEGLECT: The same budget bill calls for a rapid no-bid “firesale” of all state-owned power plants. Many of Wisconsin’s power plants are in violation of federal clean air regulations and desperately need to be upgraded and cleaned up — not dumped into the private sector.

    3. DANGEROUS DRINKING WATER: Republican lawmakers have introduced bills in both the Senate and the House which would repeal a rule requiring municipal governments to disinfect their water….but apparently for the Wisconsin GOP that is too high a price to pay to keep citizens safe from deadly microorganisms.

    4. DESTROYING WETLANDS: In January, Walker’s proposed regulatory reform bill exempted a parcel of wetland owned by a Republican donor from water quality standards….environmental groups believe the bill’s special provision would actually affect the entire county, eliminating public hearings on proposed wetland development, short-circuiting approval of development projects, and disrupting the region’s water system.

    5. FISCAL IRRESPONSIBILITY: Walker signed a bill this week requiring a 2/3 supermajority in the legislature to pass any tax increase. Republican lawmakers are now reportedly considering a constitutional amendment that would make the rule permanent.

    6. DISENFRANCHISING VOTERS: This week, Republican lawmakers moved forward on a bill that would require voters to present a photo ID from the DMV at the polls, making it significantly more difficult for the elderly, the disabled, college students, and rural residents to participate in elections.

    7. CUTTING JOBS, LOSING THE FUTURE: Last fall, Walker killed an $810 billion federally funded high-speed rail project, forcing the Transportation Department to pull its funding. Walker’s decision killed 130,000 expected jobs and forced the Spanish company Talgo to close its Milwaukee factory and layoff its 40 person staff.

    8. STIFLING INNOVATION: In late January, Walker introduced a bill that would ban wind-powered energy from Wisconsin and exacerbate the state’s dependence on out-of-state coal. If passed, it’s estimated that the law would immediately eliminate $1.8 billion in new wind power investments and jeopardize eleven currently proposed wind projects. After a public outcry earlier this month, Walker’s bill is (for now) dead.

    9. “NAKED POWER GRAB”: Earlier this month in a party-line vote, the legislature ceded “extraordinary control” of the state’s rule-making oversight process to the governor….The law gives Walker the power to write rules for formerly independent state agencies like the state Departments of Justice and Education — and most ominously the Government Accountability Board, the state’s ethics watchdog.

    10. POLITICIZING STATE AGENCIES: A provision in Walker’s budget repair bill would convert thirty-seven state employees from civil servants to political appointees — consolidating his power over state government and expanding his power to “hire, fire and move key employees to carry out his agenda.”

  91. Those are great! My favorite is the little cutie with the “Union Thug” sign. I really do think that this is awakening a sleeping giant, as so many others have stated.

    Largest crowds since Vietnam War march in Wisconsin

    The mood was upbeat despite the setback their cause suffered earlier this week when the state Assembly approved the Republican-backed restrictions on union collective bargaining rights over fierce Democratic objections.

    “I’m deeply honored to be here with you,” said Peter Yarrow, a veteran of many social protests during his 50-year folk music career and a founding member of the group Peter, Paul and Mary. “If you persist, you will prevail.”

    Unlike previous protests, the rally on Saturday brought out thousands of union workers not directly affected by the bill, including the state’s firefighters, exempted along with police from the Republican proposal. Dozens of private sector unions were represented as well at the event.

    No “Tea Party” supporters of the proposal championed by Republican Gov. Scott Walker were spotted on Saturday. They staged a smaller rally of their own in Madison a week ago.

    The rally felt more like a party than a protest.

    “This is one of the largest sustained protests we have seen in Madison since the Vietnam War. And to my knowledge there were absolutely no problems,” Madison Police spokesman Joe DeSpain said.

    Scott Sumer, a teacher from Rockford, Illinois, just south of the Wisconsin state line, said he hoped the sustained and broad-based opposition to the Wisconsin bill would discourage lawmakers in other states from considering similar measures.

    “Other governors are going to see this and think, ‘I don’t want to go there.'” Sumer said. “The tenacity of this movement and civility here are impressive.”


    Woo hoo!

  92. Huckabee doesn’t understand anything at all about black people. We never expected miracles from PBO. We have a history of being forced to make difficult decisions and having to deal with extremely difficult situations. If Huckabee thinks that the majority of blacks in America will abandon the president because he has decided not to defend a section of DOMA, he’s not been paying attention to us during his lifetime. Plus, we’ve seen the way that the republicans have done all they can to destroy his presidency using some of the most despicable tactics known to man and employing every resource at their disposal. On the basis of this alone, the majority of us will support PBO in 2012. We know that if the republicans feel this way about PBO, they feel the same way about us. They have no idea of the role that history has played in the way we view them and ourselves. They think we’ll easily abandon the president because of one issue, but we’ve played this game with them trying to turn us against each other for over 200 years now, and we’re not in the mood to play games with them about the president. I would say that we, more than any other group in this country, understand fully why they’ve done PBO the way that they have, and if we have anything at all to do with it, we’ll support him over any of them any day of the week. Huckabee has never lived as a “less respected” person a day in his life, he wouldn’t understand what I’m talking about, and therefore, he is unable to make the kind of prediction he made this A.M., and have it bear fruit in his favor. He’s trying to blow blowing smoke up our butts, and we know it. If he knew anything at all about the history of blacks in America and/or MLK, he’d realize how wrong he is about blacks abandoning PBO.

  93. I didn’t get the impression that he was talking about the President. My take is that he was talking about the people who are waking up to the fact that they are the ones that have the power to change the way government works.

  94. Well done gn, thanks for that info, I’ll pass it forward. And I agree, we have got to expose them.. and we have got to stand strong and not allow defeats to defeat us.. everything we’re building now requires we are steadfast and undaunted in why we’re building. I actually had to stop reading this thread because of all the commentary on the media- new and old.. and how hopeless they are- I stopped because, though I know it’s all true- what a corrupt sham they are.. it’s draining on one’s psyche- to know all that we’re up against can be daunting. And yet.. Barack Obama did not get where he is because he allowed the media, or the koch bros or any other entity to determine his goals.. he knew WE were/are bigger than that.. and that ultimately the American people when they band together for whats right can be mighty.

  95. Hey WiW glad you are here. Suggestion have you thought about making a video of President Obama being in Wisconsin and sending it viral.

  96. In Wolfowitz’ world diplomacy, handling a crisis and bringing democracy all involve dropping hundreds of large bombs on 100,000 innocent people thereby endearing the US to the rest of the world. The man makes my skin crawl.

  97. What a great video! I will pass it on. It is so great to come here and get all this information to share. Thanks to everyone!

  98. Isn’t it ironic- that those tea-party lovin, tax-hatin, gov’t hatin’ tea-baggers stand with Governor Walker?? If that doesn’t clear up who and what the tea-party is for folks.. I just don’t know what would.

  99. I stopped going to Huffpo when it became so darn hard to post a comment that criticized certain know nothings like Palin, McCain, Bachmann, Boehner, Cantor, Kyl, and others. None of my comments were X-rated, and I got fed up with having them relegated to a “Pending” status for no reason. In the beginning, I didn’t have this problem, but as the blog became more popular, the censorship increased astronomically, and I wasn’t the only one complaining about it, either.

  100. They need to run with this i hope Rachel gets this. WoW they only talked about two brotherd now we know why.

  101. The first line could be construde like that possibly, but I took it to say that we all felt so hopeful after 2008 and then after the 2010 election stomping, things went from hopeful to ridiculous and unhinged…went on to explain that we are all in this together AS AMERICANS, standing up for the principles of democratic ideals. That is what I took away. That, and that we the people have the power to effect change. I never felt he was bashing PBO.

  102. This says it all!

    “That vision is people control their own destiny to a point.”

    This also exposes the conservatives for the liars they are when they scream about “loving freedom and democracy,” but can’t find it within themselves to allow the people in the ME to control their own destiny and secure their own freedom.

  103. Thanks. That’s what I saw…I was starting to scratch my head alittle wondering if I was naive for not reading what everyone else seemed to see that I didn’t.Good. I’m not quite a crazy as I thought. Yet.:)

  104. Let me share some numbers with you from my precinct for this last election. Bear in mind that we vote by mail here.

    2347 = # of registered voters
    1755 = # of returned ballots
    592 = # of people who did not mail in their ballots.

    1715 = # of valid ballots (which means that there were 40 ballots that were either overvoted or blank. These do not represent any ballots with signature problems as those are all dealt with by signature rehabilitation efforts. Overvoting means they filled in every candidate. It’s generally believed that people who purposely overvote or send in blank ballots are sending a message, not making stupid mistakes.

    What’s more important here? Not the 40 peoople who ‘sent a message’ but the 592 people who didn’t vote. Yes, this precinct leans more democrat than Republican, but those 592 ballots represent, first people whose ballots were undeliverable because they moved, but more importantly, in large part, they represent people who just couldn’t be bothered to send in their ballots. I cannot stress this enough. These are NOT people who watched the pundits and decided not to vote. These are people who are infected with apathy.
    This is a fairly affluent neighborhood, mostly homeowners and condo owners, although there is one complex of low income, but the majority of them aren’t even registered to vote. This precinct is 50% 55+. Very few college kids in the neighborhood.

    I’m frustrated by comments here that keep harping on the belief that the people who didn’t vote were the product of watching and reading far left media. Sure that happened to some small, small extent. The real culprit here is apathy. Pure and simple. I think we’ll be more effective in our dealings with voters if we adjust our concept of the non-voter to one more in line with what we actually see: people who couldn’t be bothered.

  105. GN, “SHE’S BACK!” No longer in the role as Speaker of the House but nevertheless bringing the fight to them, as usual.

    “….Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) isn’t hiding in the shadows in her new role as minority leader. She’s leading the rhetorical charge in the House as Congress prepares for a showdown over a Republican proposal to cut billions of dollars in federal spending this year.”

    “We are in the sixth week of the new Republican majority, and we have yet to see congressional Republicans address the country’s No. 1 priority,” she said at a press conference Friday — one of two media events she headlined in the 48 hours prior to the House vote on the spending bill. “The GOP is not just ignoring jobs, they are cutting them.”


    “Pelosi is not a Democrat who believes in backing down,” said Julian Zelizer, professor of political science at Princeton University.


    “Gary Jacobson, congressional expert at the University of California-San Diego, agreed.
    “If the Democrats have any chance of making a comeback,” he said, “they’ve got to keep the pressure on.” No one in the caucus does that better than Pelosi, he added.”

  106. I think that this is serving as a wakeup call. Without a doubt, there are some Walker voters amongst the protesters. We were talking at wsy, and someone made a comment about that 9/11 workers relief fund will (which the GOP tried to eliminate and ended up watering down) started to open some eyes amongst traditional GOP constituencies. Additionally, I’m hoping that people who were veering off course and into the “both parties are the same” territory reconsider that stance in light of just how radical the GOP has become. IMO we can definitely do this, but have to stay focused, and persevere. I’ll personally try to be more mindful of posting deflating comments!

  107. Wow!!! That’s pretty damaging…need to get it out amongst the masses. Why hasn’t Brother Bill been more outspoken about this if he doesn’t agree with his POS brothers?( rightfully so!)

  108. That’s awesome. I’m personally a big fan of Speaker Pelosi and indeed she’s very effective!

  109. Oh nooo I was in no way feeling hopeless by the comments here, but by the topic- by the FACT that the Media is so corrupt.. my goodness the comments, your comments always give me important info and excellent suggestions/advice- I feel armed by the commentary here, I feel smarter and better served than I ever could by the media. So please don’t think I was feeling daunted by what I was reading other than on the topic itself: the media, the gulf between fact and their 24/7 smears and games.. and how somehow we’ve got to force them to change. A nation wide boycott of all media would make me happy.. I’m so sorry, I should have been clearer gn.

  110. Ok, this snapshot from my hard drive is six years old. I’m so techy challenged!
    If y’all can walk me through how to substitute a favorite “obamabot” avatar, I’ll be a happy camper.

  111. “The real culprit here is apathy.”

    The unfavorable outcome of the November was due to apathy among Democrats and soft Obama supporting Indies going GOP. There was a significant shift of Democratic women voting GOP too.

    This is not a tidy demographic that can be deconstructed and appealed to but they are the ones that will make the difference in 2012.

    The loud professional left is irrelevant to the actual base of the Democratic party or the demographics listed above.

    The President has learned how to get his message to these folks because his numbers keep ticking up since the midterms, largely due to Indies supporting him.

    So what we have to figure out is how to tune out the PL and figure out how to reach the apathetic sleepwalkers who see no difference between a tea party-directed nation or a pragmatic progressive country.

    They don’t listen to the PL. So where do they get their information? How do we reach these volatile independents that got rid of Democrats in November and then when polled showed buyers remorse for Republicans mere weeks later.

    They are the big challenge for us. The PL is just an irritant that fortunately doesn’t appeal to these people. The big question is how do we appeal to these people?

  112. I usually dread Yahoo (a.k.a. Associated Press) headlines, but I like this one:

    Largest crowds since Vietnam War march in Wisconsin

  113. You must be thinking of the corporatist bloggers who would have us believe that they had an epiphany and suddenly discovered that they weren’t republicans after all, like Markos of Kos Media LLD who campaigned for Henry Hyde, Mr. Impeachment, then saw the chance to fill a void and hit up progressives for big buck via page clicks, subscriptions, donations, etc.

    As I pointed out, to no avail, on numerous occasions in that cesspool, it was on or about Jan 21, 2009 that Kos himself started screaming that the President should never, ever do ANYTHING that was in any way bipartisan. That even though there were only 57 Democrats in the Senate at the time, one Socialist who caucused with the Dems (Bernie Sanders), one individual who had campaigned against the President, was PO’d about the fact that he had been beaten in his primary and had to get elected with republican votes and was/is a consistent problem for a total of 59 “possible” votes in the Senate (for all those who like to forget this little inconvenient “fact”, Al Franken did not become a Senator until July 4, 2009). But that was the beginning of the vitriol.

    You may also note that FDL is still listed on the blogrolls of most of those places even after its alliance with the devil, Grover Norquist. How does that square with their “ideals”? Answer: they don’t have any but have played liberals for suckers and managed to get republicans elected by encouraging democrats to stay home.

    Look at a list of “former” republicans who are now “progressive” voices. It has many, many familiar names. They’ll go back to join Dick Morris. Mark my words.

  114. Wow!! GN you are truly wonderful! I read a lot of stuff but I have never heard this stuff about the Kochs before, it makes me know that we must be much more vigilant and vocal than we have ever been before. The level of American ignorance, the slime known as MSM and the likes of the repugs and the Kochs, we are in deep trouble. We need a lot of prayer, meditation, etc. too.
    Bless you for your good works.

  115. Yep and Yep Sam. Those screaming the loudest are supposedly republicans turned democrats.. too many folks have fallen into belief that theres any real fact in that switcheroo.. repub to dem.. those brand new ‘dems/progressive’ are still yelling at dems, still attacking like repubs.. still blaming POTUS, a democrat, for everything.

    They are and will continue to be republicans.. making money off of liberals willing to follow their bs. And there is a book full of them, on blogs and on teevee.. making a mint off of selling outrage… at democrats, while calling themselves the liberal/progressives of democrats. What a bunch of hooey.

  116. So what we have to figure out is how to tune out the PL and figure out how to reach the apathetic sleepwalkers who see no difference between a tea party-directed nation or a pragmatic progressive country.

    I love your comment. Tuning out the PL in and of itself is a big step toward reaching these sleepwalkers. For one thing, hyperventilating about all these faux crises 24/7 and posting comments meant to change the minds of trolls only wastes time. So does reading those comment threads. I’m beginning to wonder if part of the RightWing strategy is to keep us from getting any work done contacting voters by having us spend our days watching and reading and reacting to their lunacy.

  117. I asked how to put a picture on earlier in this thread and they told me to go to It worked. Good luck.

  118. Yes I do remember it was classict of PBO answered it was the guy from CNN.PBO does not react he THINKS first, and the MSM doe not like to deal with a smarter person than they are, The MSM it’s all about sound bites. they are a bunch of crips LAZY and they think some of us are STUPIDOS.

  119. Yikes! The things you stumble across when you’re not really looking:

    “According to some media industry analysts, cable operators send Fox almost 60 cents per subscriber per month, whether the subscribers are Fox viewers or not. Do the math, and you begin to see how much money they’re making. Fox is already more expensive than CNN and MSNBC, and they’re warning that they want a raise from the cable companies this year.”

    “So you can’t watch Al-Jazeera English on cable, but part of your monthly check to the cable company goes to support the news brought by Rupert Murdoch. Think of it as a Fox News tax. In the meantime, viewers and activists are mobilizing to bring AJE to U.S. TV screens. Given that we have to pay for a daily dose of Glenn Beck – whether we want it or not – allowing viewers the chance to watch an actual news channel doesn’t seem like too much to ask.”|newswell|text|Opinion|s

  120. That’s a good idea. They probably think Americans are distracted about job creation because there are so many “fires” to put out.

    Although I can’t really believe that anyone believed they would focus on jobs…

  121. He’s been referring to that for a long time but it was always followed up with a warning to progressives that they must not give up and retreat. I don’t think Van believes that all the hope and change are gone because of Obama, but some really good stuff has been blocked by Republicans so that can cause some people to lose hope.

  122. You’re right, Tien Le, members of the Tea Party encompass a broad ideological spectrum, which can be confusing. Usually, when we
    think of the Tea Party the images that come to mind are the ones we’ve seen on TV, which isn’t completely accurate.

    From what I’ve read, the Tea Party includes fiscal conservatives who focus exclusively on economics issues, championing the cause of smaller government and fiscal austerity. Their agenda is similar, if not the same, as the ideology of Libertarians and strict Constitutionalists–whose concerns are related to free markets, the national debt, states’ rights, the role of the Federal Reserve, and the 10th Amendment, which they believe limits the scale of the federal government.

    However, Libertarians oppose the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq; believes that the Department of Education should be dismantled, and are not comfortable with the Tea Party’s social perspectives about allowing the government to expand its reach into the bedrooms of private citizens (e.g. LGBT rights and abortion).

    Staunch conservatives within the Tea Party, who are also referred to as “the religious right” tend to believe that economic concerns and social issues combined will strengthen the movement and help them to win elections. The attitudes of Libertarians on social issues will not sit well with these conservatives.

    Then we have chapters of the Tea Party, such as the Tea Party Express, who don’t want to be associated with ANY of the established political parties. In addition, there’s accusations flowing back and forth between the Tea Party Patriots and the Tea Party Express about “grassroots credibility” (Imagine that?)and financial mismanagement.

    At this point, I think we need to take every group that’s mounting challenges to Democratic senators seriously and take nothing for granted. Look at the havoc that resulted because maybe, just maybe, we didn’t take the Tea Party too seriously….

  123. Hi WhatIsWorking. Sending you a big, virtual hug. Thank you for all of the work that you do!

  124. If I’m not mistaken, the Koch brothers were involved in a family battle over the business some years ago. I believe Charles and David bought Bill’s share of the company, stating that he didn’t have good business instincts or something to that effect.

    In my opinion, that article shows that Bill had a functioning conscience, something they had no use for.

  125. I see PBO as winning the message war. 50% job approval and now on the verge of denying the GOTea of their favorite threat – shutting down the government, deftly managing numerous unfolding crises in the Middle East, and more people tuning out the MSM than falling for the hype. I truly believe the right wing is fundamentally wrong about their policies and will fail epically before our eyes. Wisconsin is just the first. We are already winning the future.

  126. I’d like to share a handout that I was given recently by a social justice warrior.

    “Indifference, to me, is the epitome of evil. The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it’s indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it’s indifference. Because of indifference, one dies before one actually dies. To be in the window and watch people being sent to concentration camps or being attacked in the street and to do nothing, that’s being dead.”

    Source: Elie Weisel, US News and World Report, October 27, 1986

  127. Hmmm…I wonder if we could create a challenge, in honor of BWD and this site, with each person pledging to ensure that at least 5 family members, or friends, register to vote and follows through.

    Then maybe we can ask each of those 5 people to pledge to help at least 1 person to vote and follow through, too.

    Just a thought…

  128. They just don’t listen.

    Unless PO cheats on Flotus and walks away from Michelle and the wee Michelle’s NOTHING will separate us and this President. So that conversation is a waste of time.

    The more they disrespect the man and his role as President in a way that has nothing to do with policy disagreements. . . they can forget it. That is like adding super glue. The black majority will NEVER abandon the President because we understand. We get it.

    So they can keep on talking and they can break out the Soul Patrol but it won’t change a thing. My sense is they already know this and that is why they are mad.

  129. I send Boehner an e-mail everyday, Monday through Friday…..stating the same three things
    Where are the jobs?
    Leave HCR alone, protect women’s rights to reproductive health care and choice.
    And please demonstrate the leadership demanded of your position and denounce the rhetoric and lies re PBO’s citizenship and his faith. Stand up for truth, and once and for all lay that political football down.

    This Monday I’ll be adding a 4th request….referring to Rep. Broun’s pathetic and cowardly response to a citizens remarks implying assination of the President. Leader Boehner has an opportunity to demonstrate leadership and take a stand against such inappropriate, inherently violent, and abhorrent language.

    I’ll be calling Rep. Broun’s office directly to register my disgust tomorrow morning. If you reference his website, Broun’s 4-Way Test stands in ironic contrast to his own failed response.

  130. lol 🙂 and you know this sharijr

    Majii was so eloquent in his/her note and even included some historical context.

    Thing is we don’t even have to get that deep.

    Bottom line. . .outside of the reasons we cited above, Blacks will continue to have PO’s back. I don’t care if he ran naked through the streets of DC. I know his heart is good and although I don’t care for all of his policies or for some of the areas where he compromised or I felt he didn’t go the extra mile. . I have no doubt that he did the best he could under the circumstances and he ensured that the majority of Americans would benefit and we got the better deal.

    We will support him. PERIOD. What is really funny is that even after PO has completed 8 years as POTUS, Repubs will have a difficult time in decades to come as they have alienated almost every minority group on this country. So instead of worrying about 2012, they need to be focused on what happens after PO leaves office and dealing with the probability that there will not be another Republican President for decades to come.

  131. Seriously, this call has content to supply a gazillion ads. Just so nice to see how many people are standing up, even taking to the streets. What a wake-up call.

  132. LOL LOL, I’m just saying that I take the comments about what’s uplifting versus deflating soooo seriously. We’re in a real challenge with some really well-funded people who have been at this for a long time. My dear sheri, my skin is extremely thick, and you were VERY clear. Just wanting to be as effective as possible in terms of my tiny voice in the new media is all!

  133. If we keep at it and play our cards right this union-busting scheme can usher in a major fail for the GOP, a well-deserved fail.

  134. Wow Sue, that is awesome. I am going to join you in your letter writing campaign to Boehner- thanks for doing this. Outstanding!

  135. Oh gn YOU are extremely effective, I am certain I’m not alone in looking forward to reading your perspective and insight on topics here. I just know when I see your name, I’m probably going to agree.. sorry to be so agreeable, but really you always seem to nail the center of things. What I do want is for all of us to begin to solve the media problem, how we’ll be forcing them to cover certain events truthfully.. and how we may have to find ways of just going around them.. as we’re doing here- which I realize is more likey- going around them. But we can’t let their misinformation stand either. I’ve never forgotten the primaries and the elections and how they’d distort and lie about Senator Obama, Rev. Wright- all of it.. I want us to be sooo ready this time around.

  136. GN, you said the absolute truth: “They want drama regardless of the risks.” I am truly thankful that we elected a president who refuses to indulge the media’s appetite for the dramatics of war. After reading BWD’s quote of Secretary of Defense Gates, I now understand fully why President Obama decided to keep him. I think this country finally has many “adults in the room.”

  137. Hi Temp, Your post and the “Dope” picture above make me think we could use that in 2012 – a picture of Obama’s Hope poster combined with one of whomever is running against him as the Dope one – and underneath “Lose Hope, Get Dope”.

  138. Well said Zizi: “the drama queens want shock and awe!” You know what is infuriating? They want “shock and awe,” to raise their viewer ratings, and so long as it doesn’t involve any of them, or their children, or their relatives. I have close friends who lost their children in the “shock and awe” war in Iraq. So, It is so infuriating to see these old right wing pundits salivating for war. Of Course what Gadafi is doing is abominable but the U.S. has to move cautiously, with the cooperation of the international community, to make sure that if military intervention is necessary to prevent loss of lives, it must be undertaken prudently to also make sure that it does not result in more losses of lives. From what I’ve observed about the way this administration has handled the chaos in the Middle East, I trust the President and his National Security team to make prudent decisions to deal with the terrible situation in Libya.

  139. This is all about the politics of Divide and Conquer. What Mike Huckabee is trying to do is to promote antagonism between the African American Community and the Gay Community, hoping that he can, in the end, suppress voters from both communities. I personally doubt that the African American community will abandon the President. I am also hopeful that the gay community, despite what some of those in the PL have been promoting, will come to its senses and support this President who has been quietly making fundamental changes to improve the lives of gay people. Both communities have to answer this question: Would they be better off under President Obama or would they be better off under Mike Huckabee?

  140. Nathan, good post! The Libyans are quite clear and quite adamant that they do not want any foreign soldiers on the ground, not from the US, Europe or any other Arab country. They are going to do this themselves their own way. They might have to ask for a no fly zone, but are not even asking that yet. Their way appears to be working.

  141. GN, thanks for bringing this article up. I had forgotten about. It definitely qualifies as a “must-read.” Here are some excerpts:

    “Oddly enough, the fiercely capitalistic Koch family owes part of it fortune to Joseph Stalin. Fred Koch was the son of a Dutch printer who settled in Texas and ran a weekly newspaper. Fred attended M.I.T., where he earned a degree in chemical engineering. In 1927, he invented a more efficient process for converting oil into gasoline, but, according to family lore, America’s major oil companies regarded him as a threat and shut him out of the industry. Unable to succeed at home, Koch found work in the Soviet Union. In the nineteen-thirties, his company trained Bolshevik engineers and helped Stalin’s regime set up fifteen modern oil refineries. Over time, however, Stalin brutally purged several of Koch’s Soviet colleagues. Koch was deeply affected by the experience, and regretted his collaboration. He returned to the U.S.”

    Rob Stein, a Democratic political strategist who has studied the conservative movement’s finances, said that the Kochs are “at the epicenter of the anti-Obama movement. But it’s not just about Obama. They would have done the same to Hillary Clinton. They did the same with Bill Clinton. They are out to destroy progressivism.”


    The Republican campaign consultant said of the family’s political activities, “To call them under the radar is an understatement. They are underground!” Another former Koch adviser said, “They’re smart. This right-wing, redneck stuff works for them. They see this as a way to get things done without getting dirty themselves.”

    Charles Lew, the founder of the Center for Public Integrity, a nonpartisan watchdog group, said, “The Kochs are on a whole different level. There’s no one else who has spent this much money. The sheer dimension of it is what sets them apart. They have a pattern of lawbreaking, political manipulation, and obfuscation. I’ve been in Washington since Watergate, and I’ve never seen anything like it. They are the Standard Oil of our times.”

    “A Republican campaign consultant who has done research on behalf of Charles and David Koch said of the Tea Party, “The Koch Brothers gave the money that founded it. It’s like they put the seeds in the ground. Then the rainstorm comes, and the frogs come out of the mud—and they’re our candidates!”

  142. I went back and looked over the article again after GN mentioned it down-thread.

    “There are 4 Koch brothers: Freddie, Charles, and twins, David and William.”


    David attended Deerfield Academy, in Massachusetts, and Charles was sent to military school. Charles, David, and William all earned engineering degrees at their father’s alma mater, M.I.T., and later joined the family company. Charles eventually assumed control, with David as his deputy; William’s career at the company was less successful. Freddie went to Harvard and studies playwriting at the Yale Schoo of Drama. His father reportedly disapproved of him, and punished him financially. (Freddie, through a spokesperson, denied this.)


    In 1980, William, with assistance from Freddie, attempted to take over the company from Charles, who, they felt, had assumed autocratic control. In retaliation, the company’s board, which answered to Charles, fired William….Lawsuits were filed….In 1983, Charles and David bought out their brothers’ share in the company for nearly a billion dollars. But the antagonism remained, and litigation continued for seventeen more years, with the brothers hiring rival private investigators; in 1990, they walked past one another with stony expressions at their mother’s funeral.”


  143. NOTE: This post has, in effect, been corrected by the submission of accurate information taken directly from the article mentioned by GN further down. My apologies.

  144. Help! For some reason, this landed in the wrong place. It was in response to my initial post in response to makesense4tuplips’ comments about the Koch brothers.

  145. LOL, they’re almost like cartoon caricatures. The dad worked with Stalin? I mean, seriously, you just can’t make this stuff up! I’m going to bring this article into the active thread for further discussion.

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