69 thoughts on “PBO’s statement on Lybia

  1. He said enough without any threats. Americans are still in Libya. Once they are out then you will see what he does.

  2. From the BBC live blog: Alistair Burt, the Undersecretary of State of the Foreign Office, has said all options, including coalition military action, were on the table in Libya. In an interview with the BBC, he said: “I think all options mean all options and all possible means in order to make the country safer and get people out safely and stop the violence. All options are on the table but let us see what United Nations partners are able to do when they consider this matter very carefully during the course of the week.”

    My take is that the West is waiting until it can get all or most of its citizens out. Then there’s a good chance of taking military action. The Libyan situation — besides being a humanitarian disaster, and an affront to decency — is also causing oil prices to spike to over $100 a barrel. If NATO can ease that pressure by excising a “leader” who has almost no base left, I think it will.

  3. I always know when I post, to check for a new thread, and sure enough~ What is the matter, ya do not like me? LOL!
    We are suppose to bring everybody over, we call it NBLB! HELLO!!! Proper etiquette!

  4. It will be lead by the Brits, who have a major stake in Libya’s oil afterall. Can’t see the US taking more than a small effort to show it’s a coalition.

  5. That’s my take on it. It will be under a UN mandate, with US logistical support. Libya is in Europe’s sphere of influence, and Europe should take the lead on it.

  6. So let me be clear. The change that is taking place across the region is being driven by the people of the region. This change doesn’t represent the work of the United States or any foreign power. It represents the aspirations of people who are seeking a better life.

    As one Libyan said, β€œWe just want to be able to live like human beings.” We just want to be able to live like human beings. It is the most basic of aspirations that is driving this change.

    And throughout this time of transition, the United States will continue to stand up for freedom, stand up for justice, and stand up for the dignity of all people.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/02/23/president-obama-speaks-turmoil-libya-violence-must-stop

    Because of the heinous actions, the Gaddafis and their regime have no safe haven:

    A Libyan plane reportedly carrying the daughter of Muammar Gaddafi, Libya’s leader, has been turned back from Malta after it was denied permission to land.

    “The [crew] initially said they had 14 people on board. They were circling overhead saying they were running low on fuel,” Cal Perry, Al Jazeera’s correspondent in Malta, said.

    “At that point the ambassador from Libya who was here in Malta was called in to take part in the negotiations on whether or not they were going to allow this plane to land.

    “As he entered the talks it became clear from the pilots that Aisha Gaddhafi, Muammar Gaddhafi’s only daughter, was aboard the plane. The government said it was an unscheduled flight, it doesn’t matter who is on board; they said it cannot land and diverted the plane back to Libya….”

    The attempted landing came a day after a private Libyan jet carrying the Lebanese wife of one of Gaddhafi’s sons was prevented from landing at Beirut airport in Lebanon, the Voice of Lebanon radio reported on Wednesday.

    It said Hannibal Gadhafi’s wife and several members of the Libyan ruling family were aboard the jet that was denied permission to land at Rafik Hariri international airport on Tuesday.

    Several Libyan regime figures could have been among the plane’s passengers, the radio station said.

    Lebanon’s Safir daily said that the plane was due to take off from the Libyan capital before midnight but Lebanese authorities asked Libya to unveil the identity of the 10 people on board before allowing the jet to land.

    When the Libyans ignored the Lebanese request, authorities in Beirut ordered airport officials to ask the pilot to divert the plane to a nearby country, either Syria or Cyprus.

    Gaddafi’s daughter-in-law, a Lebanese citizen, is not allowed to land in Lebanon. That is some serious stuff.

    Gaddafi & Co are not going to have any luck trying to convince anyone, except the willfully deluded, that the West is at the root of his isolation and pariah status.

    When he declared war on and slaughtered his people by way of mercenaries, he lost most, if not all, of his key allies in the region.

  7. How many 3 am phone calls is this wonderful man going to have to take? He handles them all so very well.

  8. Well, Daniel Ortega and Hugo Chavez have voiced their support for Gaddafi. So one would think there are at least two safe havens for him. He would be wise to leave before NATO gets involved. I wouldn’t want to be in the scopes of an SAS sniper.

  9. I believe the President has a remarkable ability to capture the essence of what is at stake and to remind people of our common humanity. His restraint from grandstanding and opportunism is profoundly reassuring. I believe this President has the interests of the Libyan people at heart as well as the interests of our nation and will first do no harm to them as they confront this horrible regime. God bless and protect those that are suffering there now.

  10. And if she didn’t have a stylist the attack would be “The First Lady spends all her time looking at fashion magazines and worrying about what she’s going to wear to all of the gatherings she attends”.

  11. From the VOA, re the uprising’s death toll: Italy’s Foreign Minister Franco Frattini told reporters in Rome Wednesday that there are credible reports that about 1,000 people have been killed in Libya’s ongoing crackdown.

  12. Berlusconi likes him, so I guess if Gaddafi brings along his all girl protection squad, Berlusconi might take him in to live with him.

  13. Really, why do the Italians keep electing that man to the prime ministership? In the US, GWB and the GOP used fear of terrorists. What’s Berlusconi’s hold on the electorate? He’s a corrupt buffoon who has done nothing to improve the citizenry’s lives. And he can’t keep it in his pants, even when it’s an underage prostitute.

  14. From Fox News (I know, I know, but I go there so you don’t have to): Nicaragua’s leftist President Daniel Ortega says he has telephoned Libyan leader Moammar Qaddafi on Monday to express his solidarity. Cuba’s former leader Fidel Castro also weighed in on developments in the middle eastern nation on Tuesday. Castro said that unrest in Libya may be a pretext for a NATO invasion.

    Gaddafi is still a leftist hero to the most doctrinaire of leftists. He overthrew a pro-US monarchy and installed a pan-Arabist, pan-African socialist state. So, short answer: no, he’s not antithetical to the likes of Ortega, Chavez, and Castro. Again, ideology trumps common humanity.

  15. They appear to enjoy their buffoon and vicariously enjoy his sexual exploits. Beats me why they keep him, however, the Italian women are getting pretty sick of him and have marched in protest once or twice already.

    Remember when we were discussing European elections? I had forgotten about this benefit – the election is Friday and as of 2 pm tomorrow, Thursday, there is a mandatory blackout on any election coverage until the election is over. What a relief! No more speeches and no last minute swiftboating kind of stuff. Longest 4 weeks of my life.

  16. what they did stand for. Chavez and Ortega message has been completely warped since the beginning. I really like Ortega when he first came on the scene, he did a lot of the people of Nicaragua, but he was villified by the west. At the beginning i could understand his hatred, but at some point you have to be a bigger person, and move forward. Ortega didn’t move forward but chose to let that hatred destroy him.

  17. You’re so lucky. Once PBO declares it’ll be nonstop for 18 months. We need a more civilized electoral system.

  18. I hope the colorist realizes her services are no longer needed. Vera is an idiot and a blabbermouth!

  19. It’s rather interesting that there’s so little support for Gaddafi, and no one in the region buys anything about “Western” or “United States” being behind it.

  20. Good news

    “Unlike other Arab regimes, in Egypt, Tunisia or Libya, who have faced a wave of violent protests and demands for political and social change, President Bouteflika, who is very aware of the aspirations of Algerian youth, responds to opposition claim by taking steps to appease the social front.” More

    http://www.ennaharonline.com/en/news/5868.html

  21. Bad news

    “HARARE β€” A former Zimbabwean lawmaker and 45 others were charged with treason on Wednesday for discussing the mass protests in Egypt which drove president Hosni Mubarak out of power, a lawyer said.
    “They appeared in court this afternoon and they are facing charges of treason or alternatively subverting a constitutionally-elected government,” their attorney Alec Muchadehama told AFP.” More

    http://tinyurl.com/6eac4ou

  22. There’s no doubt that Gaddafi’s choice of venue for his big speech — outside the barracks that the US Navy bombed in 1986 — was an attempt to foster that pan-Arabist, anti-colonial rage. But it seems that slaughtering your own people with a mercenary army doesn’t win you as many plaudits as you would hope.

  23. Jaysus. I know that African leaders still respect Mugabe because of his freedom fighter past; but, really, he’s nothing but a tinpot dictator who has driven his country into abject poverty. At some point, “leaders” have to decide on whose side they are — with the people, or with a fossil from another age.

  24. And once again he nails it. This is exactly how it needs to be handled- on a worldwide level. All countries of the world need to speak as one voice and condemn the Libyan government’s treatment of it’s citizens.

    Our President is the person I always hoped would run our country, I am so grateful I’m still alive to see it all.

  25. good grief. Folks need to get together and make a stink about this and support these 45 people.

  26. I think that would be the ideal. But Russia and China might well balk and veto UN military action. Russia wouldn’t want the precedent against attacking Chechnya, and China might not want to approve any rule allowing intervention against state oppression. They’d have to phrase things very carefully to get approval (or at least abstentions) from both countries.

  27. I know, and the American public doesn’t seem to be aware of the the situation in Madagascar, either 😦

  28. Well, Lawrence O’Donnell just lost my eyeballs. He had a segment where he interviewed economist Jeffrey Sachs. They talked about the union busting attempts by Governor Scott Walker in Wisconsin.

    Sachs expressed his dismay with the co-ordinated plan by Republican governors to dismantle the unions. Towards the end of the interview, Sachs criticized President Obama for not speaking out more forcefully.

    I could not get to the remote fast enough. I am just so sick and tired of everything that happens being a reason to criticize President Obama.

  29. Look at that amazing, beautiful, better, smarter, calmer than I could ever dream of or wish for President Obama and his SOS Clinton ain’t too shabby either. They are handling the Middle East people’s quest for democracy perfectly. Kudos to potus and sos *clinks wine glasses* *brushes both their shoulders off* I love them, stand with them, etc……

  30. There’s always a blanket thank-you standing for all of BWD’s hard work mining the world for information.

    But I’d like to take this time to thank all of the commenters for their contributions. I love that we get links shared from sources all over the world. It really helps me challenge my perspective and knee-jerk biases.

    Sharing info in the 21st century is righteous and noble!

  31. These people are, quite simply, stupid. Let’s assume that the President does speak out more forcefully. What would happen. All the attention would be diverted from the protestors onto Obama.

    Just like if he went too far in the ME, it would be interpreted as the US meddling, in this case it would be the Federal Government meddling with state affairs.

    Then even some people who were sympathetic with the union causes, because they are big on state’s rights, woudl turn against the unions, simply because Obama jumped in with both feet.

    By staying away, other than to let the union people know he supported them through his one statement about attacking the unions, he is letting the focus stay where it belongs, on the protestors who are standing up, not being propped up.

    If he came out too strongly, Walker wins, guaranteed.

  32. Yeah, it’s getting pretty crazy how many emergencies he’s faced in his first term:

    Economic collapse in U.S.
    European economic collape
    2 wars
    pirates!
    Iran protests
    Oil Spill
    Tucson shooting
    Tunisia revolution
    Egypt revolution
    Libya uprising
    Yemen, Bahrain uprisings

    Seriously, it’s getting crazy. No wonder the GOP doesn’t have any candidates yet. Who would want this job right now?

  33. What a list!

    A well defined, presidenacy of importance and significance can be defined by a supreme court justice appointment and 2 can move the country. Check & Check!!

    Then you add that list and his domestic political and media reality and what other conclusion can you draw but that we are witnessing a level of competancy that can reshape the foundation.

  34. My thought is that we need to thread the needle between supporting people’s ability to advocate for their rights versus a return to the same old warmongering, assassinations etc. POTUS has been spectacular in this regard with respect to the wave taking place.

  35. Oh, I had forgotten about those two bastions of democracy. Those two men had such an opportunity to do some justice in the world, but in the end, only cared about their own power.

  36. OMG! Who gives a holy moly? All this stuff in the world and people are talking about who is in charge of Michelle’s style.

    Chicago is a very sophisticated city. What a weird way to put it.

  37. Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed how similar President Obama’s behavior toward countries behaving irrationally is to a good parent’s behavior toward a toddler in the middle of a meltdown. He is detaching from the behavior, but not the country. Works with toddlers too. Wonder if he will start using these methods more with the GOP and Tea Party.

  38. Watch, Soldier 1. In the end, Gadaffi will end up like Ceausescu in 1989. Ceausescu tried the same crap (shooting his own people in the streets, etc.) and Mr. Ceausescu and his wife ended up in front of a firing squad. Same thing’s gonna happen in Libya.
    Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. And yes, that’s sarcasm.

  39. Awesome insight. POTUS has that same attitude towards any number of people behaving badly. He doesn’t demonize them, and tries to appeal to them again, and again, and again. Because his ego is not invested in this nonsense.

    What I’m loving: no neocon in the WH. Empowering people without swaggering into their situations. “Outing” myself, and to be honest: Gaddafi’s only daughter and I share the same first name, I’m a black woman in the US; she’s a cherished daughter in the MidEast. But Gaddafi’s time has come. Dead bodies do such dishonor to that name. “Aisha” means life. Dead protesters=atrocity. For his daughter, and her name, and the meaning, and what he wants for his country, please help the transition, don’t kill it. He’s right that oil is going to draw locusts and profiteers and disgusting people into his country. Help your country, don’t kill it, and don’t listen to ideologues, Gaddafi! Time to go and let the people be free, help them to transition, don’t kill them. They don’t want his son, they want a different government. Is that really a lethal offense? Perhaps a new government empowered by the people, and by LIFE can do better than he did in terms of doing more to make sure that the people of Libya can get a decent living rather than being held captive to the west’s thirst for fossil fuels.

  40. PRESIDENT OBAMA IS DOING THE RIGHT THING IN THE LIBYAN SITUATION. THE PRESS IS AS USUAL RATHER DISGUSTING TRYING TO PUSH WORDS INTO THE PRESIDENT’S MOUTH. AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED THE ‘INSANE’ LEADERSHIP IN LIBYA IS NOT GOING TO LISTEN BECAUSE HE IS JUST THAT…INSANE! HE IS OUT OF TOUCH WITH ALL REALITY…ONE OF HIS OWN WILL HAVE TO FED EX HIM OUT OF DODGE!

  41. 10:03am More on international solidarity between struggles for autonomy in the Middle East and those in the West. After Egypt sends pizza to protesters in Madison, Wisconsin, rock star, guitar hero and all-round troublemaker Tom Morello reads a message from Egyptian protesters at a gig to support the rights of workers in the US.

    To our friends in Madison, Wisconsin:

    We wish you could see first hand the change we have made here. Justice is beautiful, but justice is never free.

    The beauty in Tahrir Square you can have everywhere – on any corner, in your city, or in your heart.

    So hold on tightly and don’t let go, and breathe deep Wisconsin – for our good fortune in on the breeze, in the midwest and in the Middle East. So, breathe deep Wisconsin, because justice is in the air – and the spirit of Tahrir Square be in every beating heart in Madison, Wisconsin.

    http://blogs.aljazeera.net/africa/2011/02/23/live-blog-libya-feb-24

  42. Even though the President is getting criticism from all sides, history will record the thoughtful, intelligent, and balanced manner in which he dealt with our country’s problems.

    It’s unfortunate that it will take so long before individuals realize what he had to deal with on a day-to-day basis—while persevering through it all with calm, dignity, and grace.

  43. I imagine it’s going to be much harder to drum up ant-American sentiment overseas. Now that Egypt can’t be used as an example of “Western interference.”

  44. That is good news Symmetry11. The Obama administration has been working tirelessly on this issue, even though the media is loathe to give it credit.

    According to IRS Commissioner, Doug Shulman, in the past year the Voluntary Disclosure Program has resulted in “approximately 15,000 voluntary disclosures from individuals who came in before the special VDP program ended last year. And since the special program closed, we have received an additional 3,000 voluntary disclosures from individuals with bank accounts from around the world.”

    //

    “One of the most important projects we are working on in the international area right now is the implementation of FATCA – the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act – which was enacted this year as part of the HIRE Act.FATCA will increase information reporting by U.S. taxpayers holding financial assets outside the United States and impose stiff penalties for failure to comply.”

    “With our mission guiding us and our responsibility clear in our minds, our goal is to ensure our large corporate taxpayers are in compliance and to keep them there with strategies that are less time and resource-intensive for the IRS and these taxpayers.”

    http://www.irs.gov/irs/article/0,,id=232223,00.html

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