Updated: Washington Post-ABC News poll: 69% of self-identified liberals Dems support the tax deal

This is exactly in line with the rest of the public. I can only assume that those 69% are not true liberals.

7  in 10 Americans back the tax deal





67 thoughts on “Updated: Washington Post-ABC News poll: 69% of self-identified liberals Dems support the tax deal

  1. Oh-Oh that crowd that shall not be named at that place that we no longer talk about is not gonna like this 🙂

  2. Being among the 69 %, I’m proud to be identified with the empathetic, pragmatic majority among my fellow liberals 🙂

    Thank you bwd!

  3. Somebody just pointed out to me that the root of the problem is that certain people don’t have Rahm to kick around anymore. They’re in withdrawal. But…the 69% never gave a fig about what Rahm was up to, so they don’t miss venting their spleen. Hmmmmm….

  4. The folks you know where (well not all of them) are apoplctic about this. They are making a big point about the amount that strongly opposes is higher than those who strongly approve. Whooppee do. I am one of those 69%, but to say I strongly favor it would be misleading. I am a reluctant supporter, just like President Obama. Anybody who thinks he loves this compromise is, to put it bluntly, a dumb ass.

    It is ineteresting how when the polls show how the public approves of something they like, like DADT repeal, then the polls should be trumpeted. But when the polls show the public supports something they don’t like, as in this case, then the poll just shows how dumb people are.

  5. I’m reminded of a true and powerful observation of Martin Luther King in his Letter From Birmingham Jail dated April 16, 1963. Just as he observed in 1963, so it is in 2010, and that’s a tragedy. You could easily insert Obama’s name, experiences and observations on this speech and it would appear authentically his:

    First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

  6. Nobody is strongly approve this thing. Least of all the president. Sometimes you have to make lemonade and all that… And that’s exactly what he has done. Not only that, he brought a mini second stimulus – something that no one even dare to dream about.

  7. Senate now voting on the Tax Cut Bill.
    73-10 for so far so its a go from the Senate. Next up the House.

  8. That is great. I believe more would support the tax deal if they understood the benefits of it and how the Republicans are obstructing every single item on the agenda.

  9. Now 79 -10.
    Those voting NO so far – Sanders, Sherrod Brown, Gilligrand, Bingham, Ensign (R), Hagan, Levin, Feingold, Leahy and Udall.

  10. In this case it has proven to be a good thing that only a small part of this country listens to the Professional left (bloggers, cable tv and radio).

    The funny thing is that they think they are the main “base” of this party with their group think.

    Nothing could be further from the truth as indicated by this poll.

    BTW-Hi Jackie good to see ya!

  11. Exactly right. I don’t “strongly approve” trickle down economics, not now, not ever. Yet I am pragmatic enough to understand that other people disagree and that in order to get some of the items of importance to me, it was necessary to make a deal (as these items failed to pass the senate on a stand-alone basis). It must be nice to never have to compromise anything to move forward, but that’s not my reality and I daresay it’s not the reality of 69% of liberal Dems either. I appreciate the fervor of people who are anxious to get rid of discredited economic theories however the context of the country in which we reside cannot be imagined or screamed away, it’s that simple.

  12. I’m not surprised at all, most people are reasonable and understand that compromise happens every day in every life, it’s never perfect but it helps us move forward.

  13. Purity swarm fail.

    And shout out to an emerging grandstander:

    Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand voted against a massive tax-cut package hammered out between President Barack Obama and Senate Republicans, saying keeping low taxes for the wealthy will add too much to the national debt.

    Gillibrand’s vote put her in disagreement not just with her party leader but also with Sen. Charles Schumer, her fellow New York Democrat, who voted in support of the legislation.

    “Right now, we need to focus on the middle class, who are always left behind, not the people at the very top, who are doing just fine in this economy,” Gillibrand explained.

    This is a former member of the Blue Dog Caucus, who stated that her favorite news show was Fox”News” Greta van Susteren and previously favored English Only policies for immigrants.

    Now netroots superhero bringing their purity nonsense to a chamber of congress.

    I’d love to see this person primaried; I would be thrilled to see someone else step up to the plate.

  14. Yup. Grandstanders and new media consumers of sensationalism. Everyone else is reasonable. I’m deeply unhappy that one of my senators voted “no.” I’d like for her to explain to the unemployed, middle, and impoverished people in my city (NY) why her newly found purity is more important than them. Why her newly found purity resulted in her choosing to stand against this President. When she herself was a member of the Blue Dog Caucus! Cannot make this stuff up.

  15. Spun by sensationalism and drama into an alternate reality; used badly by grandstanding, cynical politicians looking to cash in on their excesses. At some point, a bunch of people are going to realize that they are simply being played for fools.

  16. I learned from our president, you don’t have to be loud and boisterous to get things done, while they were bitching, he stayed focused. while some was sleeping,he was wide awake.

  17. I certainly don’t strongly support this compromise. It’s a compromise, for God’s sake. Compared to what I wanted to have happen, of course I don’t ‘strongly support’ it.

    I wanted the upper 2% to start paying their fair share of the benefits they reaped in this recession while the rest of America was struggling. I know that a doctor’s or lawyer’s office that can’t bury half a million bucks in profit (the small business corporation gets half the profit and you have to claim the second half) isn’t going to use his after-tax dollars to start a small business down the street and hire 20 people. Hell, the hire the personal income tax the more likely someone is to invest in a business to lessen his tax liability. The estate tax provision would knock down my ‘strongly support’ vote in this poll on its own.

    That so many of the Left refuse to see any benefit to the millions of Americans in this deal is beyond the pale.

  18. It’s OK. We don’t need to primary her. She has stood by us in other legislation. She is only polishing up her new found progressive street cred. Let her stake her position.

    The ones that gall me are Levin and Feingold who expressly asked the President not to force the vote before the Midterms. They are the hypocrites.

  19. Well this person is all over the place anyway (she used to be a card carrying member of the Blue Dog caucus yet is a netroots darling go figure). I imagine that she was paying homage to her vociferous fans in the netroots who wanted to deliver yet another smack to President Obama. Who cares about the best interests of the state when there’s money to raise and media darlings, divas, and prima donnas to court.

    69% of liberal Dems support this deal. 70% of the country sees the benefit to getting the ball rolling. Yet I’m supposed to believe this purity bs about fiscal responsibility. This was a mixture of kabuki theater, grandstanding, and frothing at the mouth POTUS disparagers coming togeter IMO.

  20. I certainly take your points zizi, I just see an expedient who will put fingers to the wind rather than acting towards common sense. I don’t need representation more concerned about what sensationalists are saying than doing the right thing. Of course one vote does not a career make, but I have never thought that she was a good selection by Paterson, so take my bias with a grain of salt.

  21. Hopeoffear – thank you for sharing. I have never cared much for Jane and this juts confirms why. She is a snake.

  22. Some of those folks at the other place are now challenging the poll that disagrees with their hopes. They think that everyone should agree with them, because they are smarter than everyone else. Some that have just eaten a big steak aah, want the unemployed to understand that stopping the tax cuts is more important than the folks who need UE. But sometimes Oatmeal is better than NoMeal.

  23. Gillibrand! Oh no! What a disappointment. When she was first put in the job (replacing Hillary) they complained she was too conservative. She worked very hard to prove to the down-staters that she was not. Now she’s swung too far the other way.

  24. Hi GN- I was a lurker for a few years at DK and I must thank you for introducing me to WSY- it is a wonderful space. Now on to this issue, Senator Levin is one of my senators and I sent him an e-mail before and after this vote to let him know that I was displeased to say the least on his stance and that he is on thin ice with me and my family (people I will convince not to vote for him). Our state(Michigan) just went for Republicans in this past elections, so I don’t know why he thinks he has the luxury of ticking Democratic voters off. I think my situation with my two senators may be similar to yours with your two senators (a good cop, bad cop voting stance). One will vote against legislation and one will vote for it- I will be looking to see how this pans out in the coming months. Also, thank you BWD for a wonderful site. I loved your diaries on DK!

  25. And get this, remember Mary Landrieu, the new hero, who voted for the Bush tax cut in the first place and then called this deal morally corrupt, well, apparently she voted yes for this deal, too.

    Remember how she was being hailed just the other day for standing against the deal, not so much now.

    I say this to say that people don’t seem to deal in reality and will only go with the flow if it fits their narrative.

    As well, all the polls that we’ve seen of late supporting DADT has been hailed, and should be rightly so. Those polls were touted and welcomed by some. Not this one. All of a sudden, you are hearing that Americans don’t know what they want, blah, blah.

    It boggles the mind.

  26. Amen! It’s too deep. That being said, I have known racists who have come around in their own time. But I say, leave them be.
    And actually, part of why I say that is because of this ‘soup’ we all live in, soak in, eat daily. We live in a country conceived in, as my best friend in JHS Karen Johnson, used to say OUT LOUD, “liberty and justice for white folks”
    We are all working against that gravitational pull, daily. The joke at work when “they” aren’t around. The friend/cousin/beloved aunt who is fine in every other way. It’s a process on both sides.
    I think our President is a beacon of light (that is not allowed to fully shine) in understanding the racial complexities of our country, and I think he’d say the same thing, don’t waste your time.

  27. Okay, I just want to say one thing. This is the best dang darn site I’ve ever been on! Every single comment is just… beautiful! I’m not getting anything done, I just want to read, read, read, and follow links, and post another comment without worrying that I’ll say the wrong thing and be shot down or stepped on.

    I want to make a quilt out of all of you and wrap myself in you every day. Thank you BWD, thank you all!

  28. Hello there Marnie! I definitely think that a few senators got caught off guard because they believe the large new media spaces are the base. They don’t understand how insular those spaces have become. My thing is, my respresentation needs to understand that their constituency does not consist of hyper-organized bloggers and we deserve good, common sense representation.

  29. I agree. I’m not going to pick a single issue that I disagree with and demonize. On the whole Gillibrand and Levin have been good senators and solid votes for issues I support. Gillibrand and Levin are both up in 2012 and I have a feeling that the millionaires extra tax cut will be seen as particularly odious by then when it has the focus of a Presidential election on it in order to break through the MSM blockade.

  30. OK, so the smarter-than-thou’ folks want to dismiss this Washington Post/ABC Poll showing 69% approval, and that’s fine. But what about…

    the Gallup poll showing 67% approval?:

    or the Pew’s poll showing 60%?:

    They can’t all be wrong, right? lol What most of the polling is showing is that even though this package may not be their ideal, it’s preferred to the option of letting all the tax cuts expire.

    And the real takeaway here is the public wants Washington to work together to move the country forward. That’s key! No one wants two years of bickering and whining. This is bad news for the hyper-partisan folks, but it is true. President Obama’s handling of this issue is what the American people wanted to see–leadership.

  31. LOL, rd. My Carpal Tunnel, which was resolving when I quit the Screamers, is waking up once more!

  32. I don’t waste time on Dkossers. And if I can make a Holiday wish – it would be that we’d ALL simply forget they exist.

    I love you TIMT and others who continue to “push back” but I say, let ’em marinate in their own bitter juices. They are irrelevant. The worst insult is to be disregarded. This has been my MO for months, and it has served me well.

    But, as always, just MHO, and I respect everyone’s at this site.

  33. Good for Gov Dean:

    “””I don’t think he’s going to face an opponent in the Democratic primary,” Dean said in an interview on CBS. “I think that would be a bad thing for the country, and I think it would be a bad thing for the Democratic Party.

    “The history of people running against presidents in their own party is the challenger loses and then the president is weakened and loses,” said Dean, who also is a former Vermont governor.””

    Those who worship him, in many instances, seem totally to miss what a sensible, honorable person he is – and how pragmatic he is about all matters political.

  34. The President loves children and sports — and children and sports players always seem to love him. What a great event for him to be a part of. I wasn’t aware of this, bwd. Thanks for the pictures. I always love seeing The Man. Love the comments here. What a pleasure it is to visit.

  35. What a wounderful site. Thanks for this site.
    I was getting scare for the Obamas, because the left wing media and the left wing Dem. and the Teabagger is out to bring Obama down.
    I glad to see there are people out there that have caugth on to what they are trying to do.
    MSNBC is not fair to the Obamas. They lies just like FOX NEW. Huffington Post, Daily Beast,are GOP sites pretending to be DEM.sites to keep us confuse. I’m so glad that people are waking up and smelling what the Professional left is cooking. The question is why? is it Money, Race, I believe it both.

  36. On the whole, I agree with you Roscoe, but this isn’t the first time Senator Levin has ticked me off. He had similar things to say about the President concerning Guantanamo being closed (last year, I think). Again, like this issue, hiding behind the President, when the Senate voted against funding for it to be closed (this year the House has added its own poison pill). So, this seems to be a developing pattern for him, and I want to let him/his staff know that Michigan Democratic voters are watching and not interested in him or other Democrats hiding behind PO! Also, Sen. Stabenow of Michigan is up for re-election in 2012 and Sen. Levin is up for re-election in 2014. He ran on the president’s coattails, doing ads on black radio during the 2008 election, trying to get in good with PBOs base, now he wants to ‘act brand new’! I don’t think so.

  37. Thanks for this blog. I’ve seen a lot of my liberal friends jump off the deep end recently. It’s sad. I’m really glad this blog exists.

    And I’m really glad that 69% of Democrats understand what it’s like to have to make hard choices to keep the power on and the kids fed — what it’s like to have to be a grownup with people depending on you. It’s like anti-Obama people on the left have never had to make a difficult choice in their life, never sacrificed something to achieve something else greater.

    Hamsher, Glenn Greenwald, etc. are doing pretty much the same thing that Ralph Nader and Ted Kennedy did to Carter. So frustrating to see history repeat itself like that. Kennedy and Nader were at least sincere…

    But what gives me hope is that it seems like every time Obama’s been under the gun like this, what he’s produced has been a big success despite the opposition on both sides watering it down or trying to stop him.

    The stimulus helped, despite being watered down. He saved GM. TARP is making billions of dollars in profit! Imagine if Obama had been allowed to do the stimulus 100% the way he wanted.

    People on the right and left tried to fight him on it, and they were wrong. History will most likely prove them to be wrong on this as well. And maybe the voting public will learn yet again that the president cares more about them than the people who make a living off of coming up with bad things to say about him.

  38. One thing I really avoid doing is going against somebody just because he or she votes someway I don’t like. Otherwise, I become one of those purists, just on a different subject. I like to say there is only one person who could be a Representative, Senator or President who would vote or make decisions I could 100% support, an that would be me.

    Now, if the person consistently votes against my value system, that is another thing. For example, there is not a single Republican that I could honestly say I could vote for right now, and I have voted for Republicans in the past. One of my dirty secrets is that I actually campaigned for Nixon in 1960. Please don’t tell anybody.

  39. Oh, good grief. I made the mistake of wading into the stormy ocean of outrage over there — “Al Franken has betrayed us! I shall never donate to him again!” — and all I gotta say is, sure wish I had the fainting couch concession for that place. I’d NEED that tax cut for the rich.

  40. I’d like to see the DKFDLER’s under the direction of reknowned sportscaster Keith Olberman, form a photoworthy group – small in the front, tall in the back. Those bloggers that never leave their home can be represented by signs, in the style that Ms Wink suggested for Kill The Billers (stupidest stunt ever) with their Most Wanted Mugs on them. Keith will pick up his little baton, and all together now:

    “WE ARE NOT THE BASE !!!!!!!!!!!”

    (and then, back to the time-out room)

  41. Thanks, bwd, for hanging in there. It’s a funny thing about compromise: no one gets everything. Now, I’m horribly dissappointed with the continuation of the tax subsidy for the wealthy 2%, but I believe Obama when he says, If I made a promise and haven’t got it done yet, I’m still working on it. North star politics; its worth watching.

  42. Bigotry is what it is and it is not, by any means, left or right, liberal or conservative, ….. , it is the badge that all ignorant and fear-full members of our species have worn since our species began recording our foul behavior toward one another.

    A particular irony for me has always been the members of our species whom label themselves ‘christian’ — you know, followers of the fella who, some recorded, was big on the notion of ‘how you treat the least of me, you treat me.’

    What is remarkable is how far President Obama has gone to demonstrate, not by words but actions, an evolutionary path that our species had best emulate if we want to avoid being the first species – in the known universe – to document our own extinction.

  43. Thank you for the quote, Janice G. Washington. I’ve just begun reading Ellison’s “The Invisible Man”, which certainly reinforces this.

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